Drew Brees-Desean Jackson

rezburna · 07-09-2020, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Ashkenazi Jews... there’s certainly some truth to the perversion of Abrahamic faith.

Mmhm.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-10-2020, 10:02 AM

I don't think Brees backed down from his principles. Brees got caught in a firestorm that conflated to completely different items that folks on both sides are deliberately trying to link together: (A) Standing/Kneeling for the National Anthem and (B) supporting Black Lives.

It just so happens that Kaepernik and others have decided to link the two together. Brees was asked about one (A), answered about one (A), and was criticized for not supporting (B). But as he finally figured out, (A) and (B) really have nothing to do with one another. It's possible to stand for the flag and support Black Lives without compromising your integrity. I believe that's the path he is choosing to follow.

I believe he would compromise his principles if he kneeled during the anthem. I have absolutely no expectation of him doing that. In fact I'd be disappointed if he did. By the same token he, or we, can agree or disagree if others should do it. But Brees can support the cause of the call to action without performing the action itself.

Of course I think much of it is empty gestures when not backed with policy proscriptions to change the situation. But that's a story for another day, I guess in another forum.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 07-10-2020, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I don't think Brees backed down from his principles. Brees got caught in a firestorm that conflated to completely different items that folks on both sides are deliberately trying to link together: (A) Standing/Kneeling for the National Anthem and (B) supporting Black Lives.

It just so happens that Kaepernik and others have decided to link the two together. Brees was asked about one (A), answered about one (A), and was criticized for not supporting (B). But as he finally figured out, (A) and (B) really have nothing to do with one another. It's possible to stand for the flag and support Black Lives without compromising your integrity. I believe that's the path he is choosing to follow.

I believe he would compromise his principles if he kneeled during the anthem. I have absolutely no expectation of him doing that. In fact I'd be disappointed if he did. By the same token he, or we, can agree or disagree if others should do it. But Brees can support the cause of the call to action without performing the action itself.

Of course I think much of it is empty gestures when not backed with policy proscriptions to change the situation. But that's a story for another day, I guess in another forum.

SFIAH

Another voice of reason. Although, yours usually is ...

dizzle88 · 07-10-2020, 01:16 PM

And now Malcolm Jenkins the Hypocrite rises once more.

"Comments were made and they were wrong, but this is all a distraction, Jewish people aren't our problem."

Yet he basically tried to turn the whole world against Brees when it was an issue he felt strongly about.

LafayetteSaint · 07-10-2020, 01:31 PM

I really like Drew and believe that is an a great person but I wish that he had stood his ground stating "hey this is my beliefs."

Cruize · 07-10-2020, 02:45 PM

Most of what gets attention in our current culture is from those who are angry, loud and propagate hate. While I do absolutely believe those individuals are largely in the minority, they are strong in their numbers. We all say things others disagree with. We all disagree with what others say. Beyond that, it's a personal choice. If it means something to you, join the conversation. Make the effort to make that conversation open minded and honest. And if you can only agree to disagree, do so respectfully. I try not to sweat the small stuff. Things that don't effect my daily life. Things that don't matter to me and are none of my business. Mostly I succeed. Sometimes I fail. We are all in this together. It's amazing what working together can accomplish.

Rell&Gold · 07-13-2020, 01:52 AM

Drew Brees realized his view isn't the only view that matters in this particular situation and that what was at stake Respect, Relationships, Trust. I'm a blackman and didn't and still don't feel any type because of Drew Brees stance on kneeling during the Anthem or what have you. Actually think I understood what he was saying, but 1. That wasnt the time or place. 2. Drew already kneeled. 3. Military personnel suggested the kneeling.

Going to Someone's funeral telling everyone that he owed you 500$ is irrelevant. Celebrate his life or dont come. Support or shut up.

nola_swammi · 07-13-2020, 04:07 AM

Some of y’all really do forget. Not to dilute what Jackson said or to say it wasn’t as outrageous as Brees. Brees knew what the protest was about to the point he actually kneeled in solidarity with his teammates. At some point he felt it was necessary to show his support for the military men & women by personally attending troops functions. What pissed off teammates and other players is at the point of the movement, when it is crystal clear to the nations that BLM is about police brutality and killing of black Americans, once again he TRIED to change the NARRATIVE to DISRESPECTING THE FLAG. Kneeling at the flag with hand on heart is not disrespectful. I can go back and post pictures where it was look upon as favorable. It’s that it was a protest that is meaningful to black people that some white people detest.

Just wanted you to see the picture

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ments.amp.html

gumbeau · 07-13-2020, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Some of y’all really do forget. Not to dilute what Jackson said or to say it wasn’t as outrageous as Brees. Brees knew what the protest was about to the point he actually kneeled in solidarity with his teammates. At some point he felt it was necessary to show his support for the military men & women by personally attending troops functions. What pissed off teammates and other players is at the point of the movement, when it is crystal clear to the nations that BLM is about police brutality and killing of black Americans, once again he TRIED to change the NARRATIVE to DISRESPECTING THE FLAG. Kneeling at the flag with hand on heart is not disrespectful. I can go back and post pictures where it was look upon as favorable. It’s that it was a protest that is meaningful to black people that some white people detest.

Just wanted you to see the picture

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ments.amp.html

BLM is a racist, Marxist totalitarian revolutionary movement using people to further their quest for power and money.

You and Drew Brees are just pawns in their game.

Danno · 07-13-2020, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by gumbeau

BLM is a racist, Marxist totalitarian revolutionary movement using people to further their quest for power and money.

You and Drew Brees are just pawns in their game.

07-09-2020, 09:10 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Ashkenazi Jews... there’s certainly some truth to the perversion of Abrahamic faith. Mmhm. ChrisXVI and shawnkytonk like this.

07-10-2020, 10:02 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson I don't think Brees backed down from his principles. Brees got caught in a firestorm that conflated to completely different items that folks on both sides are deliberately trying to link together: (A) Standing/Kneeling for the National Anthem and (B) supporting Black Lives. It just so happens that Kaepernik and others have decided to link the two together. Brees was asked about one (A), answered about one (A), and was criticized for not supporting (B). But as he finally figured out, (A) and (B) really have nothing to do with one another. It's possible to stand for the flag and support Black Lives without compromising your integrity. I believe that's the path he is choosing to follow. I believe he would compromise his principles if he kneeled during the anthem. I have absolutely no expectation of him doing that. In fact I'd be disappointed if he did. By the same token he, or we, can agree or disagree if others should do it. But Brees can support the cause of the call to action without performing the action itself. Of course I think much of it is empty gestures when not backed with policy proscriptions to change the situation. But that's a story for another day, I guess in another forum. SFIAH AsylumGuido, K Major and rezburna like this.
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07-10-2020, 01:58 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I don't think Brees backed down from his principles. Brees got caught in a firestorm that conflated to completely different items that folks on both sides are deliberately trying to link together: (A) Standing/Kneeling for the National Anthem and (B) supporting Black Lives. It just so happens that Kaepernik and others have decided to link the two together. Brees was asked about one (A), answered about one (A), and was criticized for not supporting (B). But as he finally figured out, (A) and (B) really have nothing to do with one another. It's possible to stand for the flag and support Black Lives without compromising your integrity. I believe that's the path he is choosing to follow. I believe he would compromise his principles if he kneeled during the anthem. I have absolutely no expectation of him doing that. In fact I'd be disappointed if he did. By the same token he, or we, can agree or disagree if others should do it. But Brees can support the cause of the call to action without performing the action itself. Of course I think much of it is empty gestures when not backed with policy proscriptions to change the situation. But that's a story for another day, I guess in another forum. SFIAH Another voice of reason. Although, yours usually is ... SaintFanInATLHELL, OldMaid and K Major like this.

07-10-2020, 01:16 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson And now Malcolm Jenkins the Hypocrite rises once more. "Comments were made and they were wrong, but this is all a distraction, Jewish people aren't our problem." Yet he basically tried to turn the whole world against Brees when it was an issue he felt strongly about. Danno, saintsfan1976, The Dude and 1 others like this.

07-10-2020, 01:31 PM	#5
LafayetteSaint Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 4	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson I really like Drew and believe that is an a great person but I wish that he had stood his ground stating "hey this is my beliefs."

07-10-2020, 02:45 PM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Most of what gets attention in our current culture is from those who are angry, loud and propagate hate. While I do absolutely believe those individuals are largely in the minority, they are strong in their numbers. We all say things others disagree with. We all disagree with what others say. Beyond that, it's a personal choice. If it means something to you, join the conversation. Make the effort to make that conversation open minded and honest. And if you can only agree to disagree, do so respectfully. I try not to sweat the small stuff. Things that don't effect my daily life. Things that don't matter to me and are none of my business. Mostly I succeed. Sometimes I fail. We are all in this together. It's amazing what working together can accomplish. AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-13-2020, 01:52 AM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Drew Brees realized his view isn't the only view that matters in this particular situation and that what was at stake Respect, Relationships, Trust. I'm a blackman and didn't and still don't feel any type because of Drew Brees stance on kneeling during the Anthem or what have you. Actually think I understood what he was saying, but 1. That wasnt the time or place. 2. Drew already kneeled. 3. Military personnel suggested the kneeling. Going to Someone's funeral telling everyone that he owed you 500$ is irrelevant. Celebrate his life or dont come. Support or shut up.

07-13-2020, 04:07 AM	#8
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Some of y’all really do forget. Not to dilute what Jackson said or to say it wasn’t as outrageous as Brees. Brees knew what the protest was about to the point he actually kneeled in solidarity with his teammates. At some point he felt it was necessary to show his support for the military men & women by personally attending troops functions. What pissed off teammates and other players is at the point of the movement, when it is crystal clear to the nations that BLM is about police brutality and killing of black Americans, once again he TRIED to change the NARRATIVE to DISRESPECTING THE FLAG. Kneeling at the flag with hand on heart is not disrespectful. I can go back and post pictures where it was look upon as favorable. It’s that it was a protest that is meaningful to black people that some white people detest. Just wanted you to see the picture https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ments.amp.html

07-13-2020, 09:24 AM	#9
gumbeau Where Y'at? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 519	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Originally Posted by nola_swammi Some of y’all really do forget. Not to dilute what Jackson said or to say it wasn’t as outrageous as Brees. Brees knew what the protest was about to the point he actually kneeled in solidarity with his teammates. At some point he felt it was necessary to show his support for the military men & women by personally attending troops functions. What pissed off teammates and other players is at the point of the movement, when it is crystal clear to the nations that BLM is about police brutality and killing of black Americans, once again he TRIED to change the NARRATIVE to DISRESPECTING THE FLAG. Kneeling at the flag with hand on heart is not disrespectful. I can go back and post pictures where it was look upon as favorable. It’s that it was a protest that is meaningful to black people that some white people detest. Just wanted you to see the picture https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ments.amp.html BLM is a racist, Marxist totalitarian revolutionary movement using people to further their quest for power and money. You and Drew Brees are just pawns in their game. Danno and SaintGup like this.

07-13-2020, 10:53 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Drew Brees-Desean Jackson Originally Posted by gumbeau BLM is a racist, Marxist totalitarian revolutionary movement using people to further their quest for power and money. You and Drew Brees are just pawns in their game. SaintGup and Rugby Saint II like this.

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