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Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation. Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ...

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Old 07-14-2020, 07:53 PM   #1
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Re: Alvin Kamara Shows Off What May Be His Craziest Workout Yet

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I'm curious. Are you a Physical Therapist? Or an Athletic Trainer? You appear to be very committed that it is "non-sense". There must be some personal motivation.



Many techniques would have been considered nonsense twenty years ago in both of those fields but are now mainstays in training and rehabilitation.
I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:16 AM   #2
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I'm not any of those things myself, but did you even bother to listen to the gibberish the trainer was spouting that he was going to do for his athlete? I've always considered you an intelligent poster, even if I don't like your attitude or your opions at times. Do you have to be certified in anything to listen to listen to that stuff and realize it's nonsense? This isn't leaches, or flat earth, c'mon man.
Are you talking about the video with the judo girl? It sounded to me the trainer was pointing out some of the same things that Jordan Palmer has touted that cutting edge trainers are doing for some of the QB's that he works with on technique. Palmer just joined NFL Radio as a host a couple of weeks ago. He said these trainers are working with new drills to maximize initial force and fine tune force transference. He explained that a QB gets most of his power from a throw from his legs, not his arm. The more of the initial force that can be efficiently transferred to the fingertips the stronger the throw.

I can see how someone might see that as gibberish or nonsense.

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Old 07-15-2020, 02:49 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Are you talking about the video with the judo girl? It sounded to me the trainer was pointing out some of the same things that Jordan Palmer has touted that cutting edge trainers are doing for some of the QB's that he works with on technique. Palmer just joined NFL Radio as a host a couple of weeks ago. He said these trainers are working with new drills to maximize initial force and fine tune force transference. He explained that a QB gets most of his power from a throw from his legs, not his arm. The more of the initial force that can be efficiently transferred to the fingertips the stronger the throw.

I can see how someone might see that as gibberish or nonsense.
Read Starting Strength and other books by Coach Rippetoe and you will discover this is non-sense by the trainer and by Palmer. A very heavy and correctly done squat, deadlift, clean, and press will do more for power than bouncing balls on an athlete's head, etc. Lots of trainers seem to sell this non-sense so they can get paid. It is frustrating for me to see it.
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Read Starting Strength and other books by Coach Rippetoe and you will discover this is non-sense by the trainer and by Palmer. A very heavy and correctly done squat, deadlift, clean, and press will do more for power than bouncing balls on an athlete's head, etc. Lots of trainers seem to sell this non-sense so they can get paid. It is frustrating for me to see it.
Palmer didn't discount weight work. He says that is all necessary, but small technique work can get the most out of that power. The way he described it was a QB generates what we'll call 100 bars of energy when pushing off with his foot. That energy is transmitted through the body in a series of movements - ankle, knees, hips, back, shoulder, arm, wrist, hand and fingers. Some QB's could have what would be described as a strong arm and only be retaining 75 bars of that energy as the last finger leaves the ball. Other QB's can get close to the original 100 bars of energy by eliminating wasted motions and actually deliver the ball with more velocity and accuracy than the "strong armed" QB. He said there are trainers that specialize in getting the most out of those movements.

As for Kamara, yes, he's not going to be catching a colored stick while playing the game of football, but he is working out his spatial cognizance which has to help in quickly identifying a minute opening or placement of a defender's foot allowing him to react in a manner that could improve his performance.

None of this is meant to replace more traditional training methods. It just gives them what they feel is a special added edge. Even if that edge is only mental.

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Old 07-16-2020, 11:37 AM   #5
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What Palmer is selling and this silly drill by Kamara is just non-sense.
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Old 07-16-2020, 11:38 AM   #6
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Palmer didn't discount weight work. He says that is all necessary, but small technique work can get the most out of that power. The way he described it was a QB generates what we'll call 100 bars of energy when pushing off with his foot. That energy is transmitted through the body in a series of movements - ankle, knees, hips, back, shoulder, arm, wrist, hand and fingers. Some QB's could have what would be described as a strong arm and only be retaining 75 bars of that energy as the last finger leaves the ball. Other QB's can get close to the original 100 bars of energy by eliminating wasted motions and actually deliver the ball with more velocity and accuracy than the "strong armed" QB. He said there are trainers that specialize in getting the most out of those movements.

As for Kamara, yes, he's not going to be catching a colored stick while playing the game of football, but he is working out his spatial cognizance which has to help in quickly identifying a minute opening or placement of a defender's foot allowing him to react in a manner that could improve his performance.

None of this is meant to replace more traditional training methods. It just gives them what they feel is a special added edge. Even if that edge is only mental.
What Palmer is selling and this silly drill by Kamara is non-sense.
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