Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year

blackangold · 09-09-2020, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I don't care what they stencil on the field as long as football is being played. Racial bigotry and violence do need to end. People need to stop killing each other because of race, religion, wealth, etc...

If the goal however is for people to never see race or... I will phrase it a different way.

If the goal is to remove collectivism and tribalism from humanity then someone has unrealistic goals and desperately needs to manage their expectations. Those two things are ingrained in our DNA; religious factions, political party's, Ford vs Chevy, men's clubs, women's clubs, Seniors clubs, sports clubs.. I can go on for days listing how humans collect in the name of _____ and favor their own collectives.

Being a Saints fan is a collective and we favor our own over Falcons fans.... Yes, how you feel about Falcons fans is no different than racism. Rivalry is just more socially acceptable in certain formats than others.

Stop the kumbaya sh1t and lets talk real human behaviors.

Black vs white/white vs black racism is objectively distinction without difference. It is real but has no exclusivity.

This is true, and it's why America should be appreciated for what it is. There is no other country that is as diverse and as successful. Despite our differences of race, religion and politics we have come together because of our values. Unfortunately, those values are being attacked and have been for the last 40 years-- progressive secular ideology is the internal enemy. The Roman Empire wasn't destroyed by some outside force, it rotted away from the inside and consumed itself.

This is a football forum, but I won't concede political views and discussions any longer. I now take the same approach with all aspects of life, friends, workplace etc...

Just remember, it's okay for someone to disagree with you. Have a honest discussion based on the facts of your position, and if people disagree, that's okay it doesn't make them a bad person.

TheOak · 09-10-2020, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This is true, and it's why America should be appreciated for what it is. There is no other country that is as diverse and as successful. Despite our differences of race, religion and politics we have come together because of our values. Unfortunately, those values are being attacked and have been for the last 40 years-- progressive secular ideology is the internal enemy. The Roman Empire wasn't destroyed by some outside force, it rotted away from the inside and consumed itself.

This is a football forum, but I won't concede political views and discussions any longer. I now take the same approach with all aspects of life, friends, workplace etc...

Just remember, it's okay for someone to disagree with you. Have a honest discussion based on the facts of your position, and if people disagree, that's okay it doesn't make them a bad person.

Maybe it is age, maybe it is the fact that I have lived in Houston for over a decade and this city is so diverse that black/white doesn't show on the radar as much. Black/white tension gets diluted in the grand scheme of things as there is also mexican/asian, black/mexican, mexican/white, issues. Quanell X tries to drive his race wagon though morning television on weekends but it falls on mostly deaf ears.

When my daughters visit with friends or we go to parent teacher night what is visually obvious is that we are the white minority in those settings. They don't see race and i am very proud of that.

They get tired of my dad-isms but there is one in particular that I drum into their heads regularly. 'Learn to discuss religion without being religious, politics without being political, and race with out being racist; and just because you don't care for song doesn't mean that it isn't good music.' (they are both very musical and they get it)

Rugby Saint II · 09-09-2020, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I don't care what they stencil on the field as long as football is being played. Racial bigotry and violence do need to end. People need to stop killing each other because of race, religion, wealth, etc...

If the goal however is for people to never see race or... I will phrase it a different way.

If the goal is to remove collectivism and tribalism from humanity then someone has unrealistic goals and desperately needs to manage their expectations. Those two things are ingrained in our DNA; religious factions, political party's, Ford vs Chevy, men's clubs, women's clubs, Seniors clubs, sports clubs.. I can go on for days listing how humans collect in the name of _____ and favor their own collectives.

Being a Saints fan is a collective and we favor our own over Falcons fans.... Yes, how you feel about Falcons fans is no different than racism. Rivalry is just more socially acceptable in certain formats than others.

Stop the kumbaya sh1t and lets talk real human behaviors.

Black vs white/white vs black racism is objectively distinction without difference. It is real but has no exclusivity.

I totally agree that bigotry should not be tolerated in any form. Will this movement make the black race stop being racist against whites?

Here's another thought if Black Lives Matter why are there so many black on black killings that no one seems to care about? It's an honest question. We all know more blacks kill blacks that police officers do. But no one cares about that. Why?

TheOak · 09-10-2020, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I totally agree that bigotry should not be tolerated in any form. Will this movement make the black race stop being racist against whites?

Here's another thought if Black Lives Matter why are there so many black on black killings that no one seems to care about? It's an honest question. We all know more blacks kill blacks that police officers do. But no one cares about that. Why?

There are people that profit off of the attention and as long as you are willing to stand on a side, they get paid.

I am a married man Rugby, I learned a long time ago that you cant have peace by trying to win all of the little battles.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

There are people that profit off of the attention and as long as you are willing to stand on a side, they get paid.

I am a married man Ruby, I learned a long time ago that you cant have peace by trying to win all of the little battles.

Amen, Oak. I stopped trying to win any of them. 32 years this November.

Thirty3 · 09-09-2020, 05:44 PM

ESPN went political and ratings tanked.

Thirty3 · 09-09-2020, 05:49 PM

END RACISIM on end Zone. END RIOTS On the other.

OldMaid · 09-10-2020, 01:47 PM

I am jumping in.
No politics though.
I get along with AGuido and really, everybody else here. Well, there is one person I don't like and I stay clear of. I have met some people here and have really been able to know some of them.

To AGuido, I see your point about if a small group of 6 here don't want to watch, so what. NFL is going on. Yes those few fans keep posting here and looking and are still interested in their fav team and NFL football. It is a hard habit to break. It is easier to give up a fav food or drink during Lent than to put down your football team.

I understand their point. Many people feel this way. Many people are going through a lot of stuff: work , less work, kids on line school, loss of fam and friends from the Covid plaque, not seeing fam and friends for big gatherings , postponing and canceled events , and if their cities have been rioted and looted, too much.

What people here mean about not watching the games or cannot follow the team, is that is just too much of other stuff to look at and listen to instead of football

You just want a dam two hours to enjoy a football game about football .

You don't want to think or hear about : politics, Democrats, Republicans, racism, sexism, ageism, nepotism, Black Lives Matter, Blue Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, messages in the end zone on the turf, Covid virus, unemployment, the election, school on line or in the buildings, etc.

You don’t want to

hear commentators talking about how and why and who is : sitting, kneeling, saluting, whatever. You don’t want to see them showing you news clips of these things.
You don’t want to see names on helmets other than Riddell, lol, the helmet maker , and the team logo.

Many of us

are or know people effected by : Covid plaque, school, different employment right how, and so much. You just are,

were looking forward to watch a game and escape in your head for two dam

hours without seeing and hearing things other than football.

The NFL has given players times to support causes.

Any cause. Decorate their cleats. Donate their own money to whatever charity for each down or a td, and so on. Auction off their cleats with proceeds going to whatever charity the players choose.

October, the whole league supports Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Players and fans Go Pink. Wear a pink jersey. League gives free pink , fan cheer towels. All kinds of things. BCA Month is personal to many players and that is something that can effect half of the population.
We Support Our Veterans month or is it a week is something the league does , but that's different.

NFL, you just need to escape

with some food, family, friends, strangers you sit next to at the stadium, restaurant, people on line at fan sites, etc. and enjoy a game for two hours.
Fantasy football is a harmless, fun, hobby to escape to and see if you picked right that week. You have to watch the games though.

Football, sports in general, but I will stick to football since we are a football site, is something that brings people together. Old young, rich, poor, any ethnic group, both genders, any job or career path, religion, region, and more are brought together by cheering for their favorite team and the whole sport.

A lot of people are just getting turned off right from sports and are turning it off. It is just too heavy.

It is not what you want to see. It is not CNN or Fox News, but might as well be. Too much on your psychy. Not enjoyable.

Danno · 09-10-2020, 02:25 PM

Will they paint END RAPE in one of the end zones? Or will that piss off our players?

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Will they paint END RAPE in one of the end zones? Or will that piss off our players?

You'll find out when you watch the games. If you don't have enough willpower to avoid the forum you certainly don't have enough willpower to boycott watching the games.

09-09-2020, 09:52 AM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Originally Posted by TheOak I don't care what they stencil on the field as long as football is being played. Racial bigotry and violence do need to end. People need to stop killing each other because of race, religion, wealth, etc... If the goal however is for people to never see race or... I will phrase it a different way. If the goal is to remove collectivism and tribalism from humanity then someone has unrealistic goals and desperately needs to manage their expectations. Those two things are ingrained in our DNA; religious factions, political party's, Ford vs Chevy, men's clubs, women's clubs, Seniors clubs, sports clubs.. I can go on for days listing how humans collect in the name of _____ and favor their own collectives. Being a Saints fan is a collective and we favor our own over Falcons fans.... Yes, how you feel about Falcons fans is no different than racism. Rivalry is just more socially acceptable in certain formats than others. Stop the kumbaya sh1t and lets talk real human behaviors. Black vs white/white vs black racism is objectively distinction without difference. It is real but has no exclusivity. This is true, and it's why America should be appreciated for what it is. There is no other country that is as diverse and as successful. Despite our differences of race, religion and politics we have come together because of our values. Unfortunately, those values are being attacked and have been for the last 40 years-- progressive secular ideology is the internal enemy. The Roman Empire wasn't destroyed by some outside force, it rotted away from the inside and consumed itself. This is a football forum, but I won't concede political views and discussions any longer. I now take the same approach with all aspects of life, friends, workplace etc... Just remember, it's okay for someone to disagree with you. Have a honest discussion based on the facts of your position, and if people disagree, that's okay it doesn't make them a bad person. SaintFanInATLHELL and OldMaid like this.
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09-10-2020, 02:39 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Originally Posted by blackangold This is true, and it's why America should be appreciated for what it is. There is no other country that is as diverse and as successful. Despite our differences of race, religion and politics we have come together because of our values. Unfortunately, those values are being attacked and have been for the last 40 years-- progressive secular ideology is the internal enemy. The Roman Empire wasn't destroyed by some outside force, it rotted away from the inside and consumed itself. This is a football forum, but I won't concede political views and discussions any longer. I now take the same approach with all aspects of life, friends, workplace etc... Just remember, it's okay for someone to disagree with you. Have a honest discussion based on the facts of your position, and if people disagree, that's okay it doesn't make them a bad person. Maybe it is age, maybe it is the fact that I have lived in Houston for over a decade and this city is so diverse that black/white doesn't show on the radar as much. Black/white tension gets diluted in the grand scheme of things as there is also mexican/asian, black/mexican, mexican/white, issues. Quanell X tries to drive his race wagon though morning television on weekends but it falls on mostly deaf ears. When my daughters visit with friends or we go to parent teacher night what is visually obvious is that we are the white minority in those settings. They don't see race and i am very proud of that. They get tired of my dad-isms but there is one in particular that I drum into their heads regularly. 'Learn to discuss religion without being religious, politics without being political, and race with out being racist; and just because you don't care for song doesn't mean that it isn't good music.' (they are both very musical and they get it) OldMaid likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-09-2020, 03:12 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Originally Posted by TheOak I don't care what they stencil on the field as long as football is being played. Racial bigotry and violence do need to end. People need to stop killing each other because of race, religion, wealth, etc... If the goal however is for people to never see race or... I will phrase it a different way. If the goal is to remove collectivism and tribalism from humanity then someone has unrealistic goals and desperately needs to manage their expectations. Those two things are ingrained in our DNA; religious factions, political party's, Ford vs Chevy, men's clubs, women's clubs, Seniors clubs, sports clubs.. I can go on for days listing how humans collect in the name of _____ and favor their own collectives. Being a Saints fan is a collective and we favor our own over Falcons fans.... Yes, how you feel about Falcons fans is no different than racism. Rivalry is just more socially acceptable in certain formats than others. Stop the kumbaya sh1t and lets talk real human behaviors. Black vs white/white vs black racism is objectively distinction without difference. It is real but has no exclusivity. I totally agree that bigotry should not be tolerated in any form. Will this movement make the black race stop being racist against whites? Here's another thought if Black Lives Matter why are there so many black on black killings that no one seems to care about? It's an honest question. We all know more blacks kill blacks that police officers do. But no one cares about that. Why?

09-10-2020, 02:46 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I totally agree that bigotry should not be tolerated in any form. Will this movement make the black race stop being racist against whites? Here's another thought if Black Lives Matter why are there so many black on black killings that no one seems to care about? It's an honest question. We all know more blacks kill blacks that police officers do. But no one cares about that. Why? There are people that profit off of the attention and as long as you are willing to stand on a side, they get paid. I am a married man Rugby, I learned a long time ago that you cant have peace by trying to win all of the little battles. OldMaid likes this.
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09-10-2020, 07:30 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Originally Posted by TheOak There are people that profit off of the attention and as long as you are willing to stand on a side, they get paid. I am a married man Ruby, I learned a long time ago that you cant have peace by trying to win all of the little battles. Amen, Oak. I stopped trying to win any of them. 32 years this November. OldMaid likes this.

09-09-2020, 05:44 PM	#6
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year ESPN went political and ratings tanked.
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09-09-2020, 05:49 PM	#7
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year END RACISIM on end Zone. END RIOTS On the other. gosaints1, K Major and shawnkytonk like this.
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09-10-2020, 01:47 PM	#8
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,917 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year I am jumping in. No politics though. I get along with AGuido and really, everybody else here. Well, there is one person I don't like and I stay clear of. I have met some people here and have really been able to know some of them. To AGuido, I see your point about if a small group of 6 here don't want to watch, so what. NFL is going on. Yes those few fans keep posting here and looking and are still interested in their fav team and NFL football. It is a hard habit to break. It is easier to give up a fav food or drink during Lent than to put down your football team. I understand their point. Many people feel this way. Many people are going through a lot of stuff: work , less work, kids on line school, loss of fam and friends from the Covid plaque, not seeing fam and friends for big gatherings , postponing and canceled events , and if their cities have been rioted and looted, too much. What people here mean about not watching the games or cannot follow the team, is that is just too much of other stuff to look at and listen to instead of football You just want a dam two hours to enjoy a football game about football . You don't want to think or hear about : politics, Democrats, Republicans, racism, sexism, ageism, nepotism, Black Lives Matter, Blue Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, messages in the end zone on the turf, Covid virus, unemployment, the election, school on line or in the buildings, etc. You don’t want to hear commentators talking about how and why and who is : sitting, kneeling, saluting, whatever. You don’t want to see them showing you news clips of these things. You don’t want to see names on helmets other than Riddell, lol, the helmet maker , and the team logo. Many of us are or know people effected by : Covid plaque, school, different employment right how, and so much. You just are, were looking forward to watch a game and escape in your head for two dam hours without seeing and hearing things other than football. The NFL has given players times to support causes. Any cause. Decorate their cleats. Donate their own money to whatever charity for each down or a td, and so on. Auction off their cleats with proceeds going to whatever charity the players choose. October, the whole league supports Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Players and fans Go Pink. Wear a pink jersey. League gives free pink , fan cheer towels. All kinds of things. BCA Month is personal to many players and that is something that can effect half of the population. We Support Our Veterans month or is it a week is something the league does , but that's different. NFL, you just need to escape with some food, family, friends, strangers you sit next to at the stadium, restaurant, people on line at fan sites, etc. and enjoy a game for two hours. Fantasy football is a harmless, fun, hobby to escape to and see if you picked right that week. You have to watch the games though. Football, sports in general, but I will stick to football since we are a football site, is something that brings people together. Old young, rich, poor, any ethnic group, both genders, any job or career path, religion, region, and more are brought together by cheering for their favorite team and the whole sport. A lot of people are just getting turned off right from sports and are turning it off. It is just too heavy. It is not what you want to see. It is not CNN or Fox News, but might as well be. Too much on your psychy. Not enjoyable.

09-10-2020, 02:25 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Will they paint END RAPE in one of the end zones? Or will that piss off our players? gosaints1 and Flipx99 like this.

09-10-2020, 02:32 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints adding 'End Racism' to end zones this year Originally Posted by Danno Will they paint END RAPE in one of the end zones? Or will that piss off our players? You'll find out when you watch the games. If you don't have enough willpower to avoid the forum you certainly don't have enough willpower to boycott watching the games.

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