NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I have no problem with him but if we are losing the boo birds are going to come out quick once fans are back in the stands.

I wasn't aware of any "boo birds" out there to return. Besides, I'm not envisioning the Saints tobe doing much losing once again this season. They are better (on paper) top to bottom than they were each of the past three seasons in which they went 37-11.

gosaints1 · 09-10-2020, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I wasn't aware of any "boo birds" out there to return. Besides, I'm not envisioning the Saints tobe doing much losing once again this season. They are better (on paper) top to bottom than they were each of the past three seasons in which they went 37-11.

37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter.

Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game.

That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter.

Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game.

That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste.

If you never go "all in" you may never even get close to a side of beans and rice, however. In that case you have decades of wasted years.

There is a ton of luck involved in winning a Super Bowl. Only one team can do it every year and it takes plenty of lucky bounces.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-10-2020, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter.

Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game.

That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste.

I think the playoff loses are more on Payton’s questionable gameplan, halftime adjustments and god awful clock management than Drew. And to be honest Zimmer just has Payton’s ass. He’s too cute and stubborn.

gosaints1 · 09-10-2020, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

I think the playoff loses are more on Payton’s questionable gameplan, halftime adjustments and god awful clock management than Drew. And to be honest Zimmer just has Payton’s ass. He’s too cute and stubborn.

Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things.

When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-10-2020, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things.

When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility.

I agree and I’ll go even further with Payton. The years when Drew was in his prime it was pissed away by bad defenses, bad signings, and bad drafting all of which Payton has control of. Loomis is just the bean counter. Thank god for Ireland helping quell Sean with the *****y drafting or we’d really be up sh*t creek. Now I’m not giving Drew a pass but it’s at least 75% Sean’s fault.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

I agree and I’ll go even further with Payton. The years when Drew was in his prime it was pissed away by bad defenses, bad signings, and bad drafting all of which Payton has control of. Loomis is just the bean counter. Thank god for Ireland helping quell Sean with the *****y drafting or we’d really be up sh*t creek. Now I’m not giving Drew a pass but it’s at least 75% Sean’s fault.

See the above reply. Who do you want to do better. Who else has ever even made us relevant? We are spoiled. We could be Detroit if you want? Or the Chargers?

As I said ... the grass is always greener ....

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things.

When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility.

And who could we do better with leading the Saints? Do you honesty believe after 40+ years of total failure that Payton is a failure now? How many other teams never even made it to the post season ever those years? Name every team other than the Patriots that had over a .500 post season record over that time.

Grass is always greener .......

09-10-2020, 11:43 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by The Dude I have no problem with him but if we are losing the boo birds are going to come out quick once fans are back in the stands. I wasn't aware of any "boo birds" out there to return. Besides, I'm not envisioning the Saints tobe doing much losing once again this season. They are better (on paper) top to bottom than they were each of the past three seasons in which they went 37-11.

09-10-2020, 01:07 PM	#2
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I wasn't aware of any "boo birds" out there to return. Besides, I'm not envisioning the Saints tobe doing much losing once again this season. They are better (on paper) top to bottom than they were each of the past three seasons in which they went 37-11. 37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter. Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game. That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste.
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09-10-2020, 01:17 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter. Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game. That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste. If you never go "all in" you may never even get close to a side of beans and rice, however. In that case you have decades of wasted years. There is a ton of luck involved in winning a Super Bowl. Only one team can do it every year and it takes plenty of lucky bounces.

09-10-2020, 05:20 PM	#4
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter. Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game. That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste. I think the playoff loses are more on Payton’s questionable gameplan, halftime adjustments and god awful clock management than Drew. And to be honest Zimmer just has Payton’s ass. He’s too cute and stubborn. dizzle88 and gosaints1 like this.

09-10-2020, 05:38 PM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 I think the playoff loses are more on Payton’s questionable gameplan, halftime adjustments and god awful clock management than Drew. And to be honest Zimmer just has Payton’s ass. He’s too cute and stubborn. Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things. When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility. dizzle88 and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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09-10-2020, 05:57 PM	#6
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things. When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility. I agree and I’ll go even further with Payton. The years when Drew was in his prime it was pissed away by bad defenses, bad signings, and bad drafting all of which Payton has control of. Loomis is just the bean counter. Thank god for Ireland helping quell Sean with the ****y drafting or we’d really be up sht creek. Now I’m not giving Drew a pass but it’s at least 75% Sean’s fault. dizzle88 and gosaints1 like this.

09-10-2020, 06:01 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 I agree and I’ll go even further with Payton. The years when Drew was in his prime it was pissed away by bad defenses, bad signings, and bad drafting all of which Payton has control of. Loomis is just the bean counter. Thank god for Ireland helping quell Sean with the ****y drafting or we’d really be up sht creek. Now I’m not giving Drew a pass but it’s at least 75% Sean’s fault. See the above reply. Who do you want to do better. Who else has ever even made us relevant? We are spoiled. We could be Detroit if you want? Or the Chargers? As I said ... the grass is always greener ....

09-10-2020, 05:58 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things. When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility. And who could we do better with leading the Saints? Do you honesty believe after 40+ years of total failure that Payton is a failure now? How many other teams never even made it to the post season ever those years? Name every team other than the Patriots that had over a .500 post season record over that time. Grass is always greener .......