Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Team chemistry is very real. It’s sensitive too. The article states Jenkins and Thomas killed the chemistry by publicly disagreeing with Brees. I’d say Brees killed the chemistry by being oblivious to the way his teammates and NFL colleagues would react to his statement. None of the other QB’s in the league had this problem this year. Brees decided to be Captain America.

Now when they had the team meetings I do believe the issue was solved. Losing and poor play opens up old wounds. Brees isn’t playing well. Most of us who are watching these games objectively can see that. So you have a 1st overall pick sitting on the bench. Everybody knows the playbook opens ALL the way back up if he hits the field.

Brees is playing like he knows somebody is coming for his spot. Like he’s scared to make a mistake and get benched. He did that to himself. You can’t make a statement contrary to the beliefs of your roster then come out there and check down to Kamara 20 times a game. Blaming Thomas and Jenkins for reacting to a public statement is odd when Brees never had to make the statement in the first place.

Whitlock is right. He isn’t the leader anymore. He did lose the locker room, but that’s not because of Jenkins or Thomas. It’s because he couldn’t read the room any better than he’s reading defenses right now.

Interesting Opinion Saints/Brees
 

https://www.outkick.com/nfl-truths-r...nz5xMRR3H6hZ1g

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3) The Saints killed their mojo this offseason when Malcolm Jenkins and Michael Thomas executed a Black Lives Matter-inspired assassination of Drew Brees’ character.

Brees has never been the most talented NFL QB. His intangibles, particularly his leadership, are what made him great. The guy’s reputation was impeccable.

He was the guy New Orleans and the Saints rallied around. Jenkins and Thomas ruined that when they publicly criticized Brees because Brees had the audacity to defend standing for the national anthem.

Brees is no longer the leader of the Saints, who fell to 1-2 Sunday night. He’s a player on the team. It’s a tragedy what Jenkins and Thomas did to Brees, the NFL’s modern-day Walter Payton.

If the Saints miss the playoffs, blame Jenkins, Thomas and the media race hustlers.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Exactly..., And neither Brees, Thomas nor Jenkins are in need of “parents telling them what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do”. It’s their confrontation, they said they handled it, Period. Is it possible that emotions and commentary become more heated in the future? Sure, if they continue losing. Winning, regardless of who is at the QB is a cure-all for what ails the locker room.

lol at the straw man argument. My friend, this is a public forum full of opinions, it’s not moderated as to “form” or “function” in our speech, it’s not peer reviewed such that experts analyze our statements. It’s very simply..., opinions. And anybody who brings “OJ” into a discussion, while simultaneously calling another out over usage of informal fallacious speak fails to abide by the same set of rules he expects from others.

Bottom line, what other ppl do wrt their interpersonal relationships ain’t none of my business. Doubly so for royalty, Hollywood elites and professional athletes. I’m just not a pitchforker. But..., to each their own.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

I'd just like to know how you expected him to "read" the locker room, when he had already made these statements a couple of years earlier, and no one blinked.

YOU seem oblivious to the fact that it suddenly became "cool" to shame anyone who doesn't believe in the BLM propaganda and all of the bells and whistles that come with it. Brees was asked a question. A question that, again, he had already answered before, with no backlash. He answered again, gave a thoughtful response- one that I personally even thought was a bit TOO polite, as he merely stated that he disagreed with the method of protest, and not the cause- and never called any person out, individually.

If the players have a problem with him saying "look, just not during the anthem, where we pay respects to the people who paid for our freedom", then that's on them. All I ever hear is that we should just "listen" to what these players are saying. What about listening to the other side of the argument, then? The players say "it's not about the flag". Nobody is saying it's about the flag, itself. It's clearly about what it represents to them. We've had this discussion, and heard all the arguments from both sides. But Drew wasn't even taking a side. He was basically saying "if you have a grievance, that's fine, but the flag isn't about any perceived inequalities, it's about us, as Americans. Do your protest at a more appropriate time."

In other words, while the flag might mean one thing to the other players, it means something else to Drew. He wasn't telling them their cause was right or wrong which, again, was a little passive for my taste, but I understood that he was trying to walk a fine line. He was merely saying he didn't think that was the right way to go about pushing their cause. I think that is something that grown men should have been easily able to agree to disagree on, at worst.

He didn't owe it to them to read their minds and respect THEIR opinions, if they couldn't respect his. That's not the way it works.

Is Brees diminished, physically? Of course he is. I was trying to point out his decline years ago, and was almost universally labeled as a hater, as people were telling me he was going to play till he was at least 45, and dominate, because nutrition, and core workouts and some other nonsense that was supposed to make him not age. But his noodle arm isn't exactly a new phenomenon that suddenly appeared this year, is it? So why is everyone talking about how the team is playing like crap? What's different from last year?

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Posted the same article.... crazy

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

You don't seem to understand what I even mean by "straw man". It's not about a "form of speech". I don't care if you write like Shakespeare, or big bubba down the street. Your straw man was arguing that Neither Thomas nor Jenkins has advocated for violence, when that is not the argument anyone was making. My OJ comment was very clearly an analogy (which I specifically stated) to explain how one doesn't have to "be there" in order to draw certain conclusions. I thought of the most likely real life situation that I thought you'd be familiar with to make an analogy. I don't think that's rocket science, friend. And I think you knew exactly what I was doing. So, with all due respect, I'd appreciate it if you'd spare me the drivel about this being a public forum, and not peer reviewed, and holding people to a different standard than myself. None of that had anything to do with what I said.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

I’m sure you’d find me co-signing your comments about his decline. Again, anybody being objective could see it coming. When you hit the age wall it’s drastic.

As far as him making the same statement a few years ago, it’s 2020. Things change from year to year...even day to day. I’m not surprised he didn’t sense the shift because I see the same thing when he’s in the pocket. That’s like me commenting on this predominantly Conservative forum and expecting back up when I start talking about the issues that matter to me. On the contrary. We’ve had many battles over every painstaking detail of said issues. I know what I’m getting myself into as soon as I leave a comment.

It’s not about him owing them. It’s about being a leader of men. He thought he could say whatever and his troops would rally behind him and he thought wrong. The troops said **** you. That’s on him and nobody else. Just because you’re asked a question doesn’t mean you have to answer it. No comment is simple. You can even tell reporters not to ask you about certain things. Again, no other QB had this issue. If you wanna lead some **** you better learn how to play politics.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

You keep saying the same thing, just worded differently. "Well if Brees was a real leader he should have read the room. If he was a real leader he shouldn't have given his opinion." To which I would say if his "teammates" were better men they wouldn't have reacted the way they did to someone expressing an opinion they disagree with. Brees' initial statement wasn't hateful. It was carefully worded so as to give his opinion without trying to overtly offend anyone. And it was a statement he made in response to a direct question. Its not like he hopped on twitter to give an unsolicited opinion.

Unfortunately, the timeout generation is reaching "adulthood." The kids whose parents allowed them to have public meltdowns without consequence. These people are conditioned to believe that if they scream loud enough they will get their way. They never learned how to work through their feelings in a productive manner, they didn't learn to overcome adversity. They threw tantrums and got participation trophies instead. They expect all opinions to be equally valid, as long as its the "correct" opinion. They want everyone to be allowed to have their own "truth" unless that truth hurts their feelings. They're basically still children from a mental and emotional standpoint..but we're supposed to look up to these people, listen to them and believe they have all the answers. Nah bro, miss me with that sh*t.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Sometimes it’s not what you say, it’s when or how you say it. Again, that’s Leadership 101. If your wife asks if she looks fat in that dress it’s on you if you say yeah. Now imagine if she asks you that right after you got caught cheating and y’all are working on your relationship. You better lie if you don’t want those divorce papers.

As far as the next generation, the youth is always the vanguard of change. That just is what it is. It doesn’t matter if we agree with it or not, it’s inevitable. Old **** gets phased out. Brees is the old ****.