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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 898482)

“Overreacted” is subjective. It’s how you view it, no doubt others. I don’t discount your view on things, I just see there are other views, including mine, that it was passionate and emotional commentary. It very well could also be seen as a “backstabbing” comment from teammates of all colors inside the locker-room. Regardless of what was said three years previously, the situation in that locker-room and the NFL in general is different now, than it was before. I evaluate Thomas’ and Jenkins’ comments in the appropriate time frame, which is right now.

Mobs are wrong, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks out of the year, all mobs, along with all socially motivated “boycotts”. I’ll never buy into that mentality, either side. And that includes the “I’m boycotting the NFL bc..., race reasons” mob. I’m just not of that mindset, but to each their own.

It's fine to play the "I just listen and don't rock the boat" position, if that's your thing, man. I happen to believe it's passive and unproductive. People are out there spreading absolute lies that are poisoning people's minds, and leading to the kind of idiotic reaction that Brees got. What he said was perfectly valid. Because it's obvious most people don't care for the time and place that the protests were happening. He wasn't commenting on their cause, itself. So if he can't have that opinion, why do the players deserve a pass for theirs, and acting like children?

I believe it is the responsibility of every adult to stand up for what he believes is right. I also believe it is the responsibility of every adult to know what they believe and why. The players cannot defend, with any logic, the kind of people they are propping up as victims in their petty social justice war. And short of being able to do so, they don't have the right to just get what they want from everyone else. It matters not whether they feel differently now than they did three years ago. Nothing has changed in three years to support their cause. A black man gets shot by the police, and it doesn't matter that there is video evidence of the suspect resisting arrest. It doesn't matter that more white people are killed by police, despite the black population accounting for the majority of crime in this country. These are little things called facts and reason. So I supported Drew's initial stance. I do not support his decision to crawfish.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898485)

Patriotism is political.

And you've just showed this entire forum that you are anti-American. That is literally the only possible way to arrive at the conclusion you just made.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898456)

Team chemistry is very real. It’s sensitive too. The article states Jenkins and Thomas killed the chemistry by publicly disagreeing with Brees. I’d say Brees killed the chemistry by being oblivious to the way his teammates and NFL colleagues would react to his statement. None of the other QB’s in the league had this problem this year. Brees decided to be Captain America.

Now when they had the team meetings I do believe the issue was solved. Losing and poor play opens up old wounds. Brees isn’t playing well. Most of us who are watching these games objectively can see that. So you have a 1st overall pick sitting on the bench. Everybody knows the playbook opens ALL the way back up if he hits the field.

Brees is playing like he knows somebody is coming for his spot. Like he’s scared to make a mistake and get benched. He did that to himself. You can’t make a statement contrary to the beliefs of your roster then come out there and check down to Kamara 20 times a game. Blaming Thomas and Jenkins for reacting to a public statement is odd when Brees never had to make the statement in the first place.

Whitlock is right. He isn’t the leader anymore. He did lose the locker room, but that’s not because of Jenkins or Thomas. It’s because he couldn’t read the room any better than he’s reading defenses right now.

You should be able to make a statement contrary to the beliefs of your teammates. I don't think anyone really believes that any such unwritten "rule" should apply - except for when it comes to BLM and/or BLM driven issues.

All the more reason to speak out against BLM. If people dont start standing up to that corrupt movement things will only get worse.

This idea that criticism of BLM is taboo needs to be called out at every opportunity.

Yeah, one will probably get called a racist, a white supremacist and/or a nazi. So what? Those magic words only have meaning if we let them.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 898451)

Team chemistry, vibe, mojo is real; it may be irrational at times, but it is very real...

I know that team chemistry is real but as I mentioned we wouldn’t be talking about something that happened over the summer if the team was playing better. All this could have and should have been handled better. If they let the media destroy their chemistry then shame on the leaders of this team.

A strong team can overcome disagreements and disappointment. Maybe this team wasn’t a strong as we thought but on field performance as it relates to the coaches and players is what’s hindering this team.

Stats tell the reason why we are 1-2. Defense can’t get off the field and the offense can’t stay on. Payton refuses to stick to the run. These are our main issues all this other stuff is speculation.

The thing that made us dangerous on offense was the intermediate routes in the middle of the field. We no longer have that in our arsenal with Brees. Or WRs have zero YAC. Only AK has YAC because of where he is catching the ball on screens and option route at the line of scrimmage.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898487)

And you've just showed this entire forum that you are anti-American. That is literally the only possible way to arrive at the conclusion you just made.

Lol. Okay.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898491)

Lol. Okay.

No, it's not okay. But, "it is what it is" right, bro?

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by Flipx99 (Post 898488)

Everything dealing with Black people isn’t BLM.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898492)

No, it's not okay. But, "it is what it is" right, bro?

Lol. I guess so.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898486)

It's fine to play the "I just listen and don't rock the boat" position, if that's your thing, man. I happen to believe it's passive and unproductive. People are out there spreading absolute lies that are poisoning people's minds, and leading to the kind of idiotic reaction that Brees got. What he said was perfectly valid. Because it's obvious most people don't care for the time and place that the protests were happening. He wasn't commenting on their cause, itself. So if he can't have that opinion, why do the players deserve a pass for theirs, and acting like children?

I believe it is the responsibility of every adult to stand up for what he believes is right. I also believe it is the responsibility of every adult to know what they believe and why. The players cannot defend, with any logic, the kind of people they are propping up as victims in their petty social justice war. And short of being able to do so, they don't have the right to just get what they want from everyone else. It matters not whether they feel differently now then they did three years ago. Nothing has changed in three years to support their cause. A black man gets shot by the police, and it doesn't matter that there is video evidence of the suspect resisting arrest. It doesn't matter that more white people are killed by police, despite the black population accounting for the majority of crime in this country. These are little things called facts and reason. So I supported Drew's initial stance. I do not support his decision to crawfish.

Nothing wrong with your choices and/or actions. Nothing wrong with mine, or others either, so long as no laws are being broken. I’ve put boots on in combat, proudly retired from the Army, miss it, a lot, lol..., but I really don’t need anyone intimating what my “responsibilities” are, or “should” be. My guess is D.Brees, M.Thomas and M.Jenkins feel the same..., but I won’t speak for them. They’ve done it themselves already.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898487)

And you've just showed this entire forum that you are anti-American. That is literally the only possible way to arrive at the conclusion you just made.

You're never going to change his mind. I've only blocked 2 people on this site in almost 20 years. And he is one of them.

He has an entitled victim mentality and believes that a black person who commits a crime is somehow white people's fault. He is racist as hell.

You're talking to a guy that thinks that he should get reparations from white people.

That's where I drew the line and blocked him.

Too bad too. Good guy to talk football with. But with all the politics now in sports, it was just too much for me.