M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

The Saints killed their mojo this offseason when Malcolm Jenkins and Michael Thomas executed a Black Lives Matter-inspired assassination of Drew Brees’ character.

Brees has never been the most talented NFL QB. His intangibles, particularly his leadership, are what made him great. The guy’s reputation was impeccable.

He was the guy New Orleans and the Saints rallied around. Jenkins and Thomas ruined that when they publicly criticized Brees because Brees had the audacity to defend standing for the national anthem.

Brees is no longer the leader of the Saints, who fell to 1-2 Sunday night. He’s a player on the team. It’s a tragedy what Jenkins and Thomas did to Brees, the NFL’s modern-day Walter Payton.

If the Saints miss the playoffs, blame Jenkins, Thomas and the media race hustlers.

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Really? After watching then play....this is the best you can come up with? What about the other teams that are undefeated or are at least playing good football that have had players speak out as well.

Everyone has to do their job and do it better....including Brees.

What you just wrote is a cop-out.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Malcom Jenkins sucks in a Saints jersey. It’s some kind of curse.

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Jason Whitlock is savage.

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I see the crying will never stop.

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Not a total cop-out. There was an internal dust up, between DB#9 and team members, publicly, resulting in “floor is lava” commentary. How much that played, or still plays in the team’s chemistry is unknown. It wouldn’t be a huge leap of faith to see that breakdown as a negative and possibly affecting the team so much that it manifests in on the field confidence/play. That being said, it is my belief that DB#9 is no longer the “leader” of the team. Leader’s prove it with their play, there is no hesitation or indecisiveness, both of which I see in DB#9 almost every time he has to throw anything over ten yards.

It’s my belief that leadership, on the field of play through playing, would be the reason the Saints don’t make the playoffs, if they don’t. But I’m still of the mindset that this team is the team to beat in the NFC South, 13 more games to play, at least.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

I don't know what happened behind the scenes - but I can say what I think should have happened.

When Drew started to receive threats against his family he should have met with Jenkins and Thomas, looked them in the eyes and told them we are supposed to be teammates. From one man to other men, you need to do whatever you can to fix this. This is my family we are talking about.

If they refused, I think he should have called it a career and walked away.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Did I miss where either Thomas or Jenkins overtly threatened the family of Brees? And both Thomas and Jenkins have received death threats for their stance also. Brees isn’t responsible for idiots threatening Thomas and Jenkins, nor are Thomas/Jenkins responsible for idiots threatening Brees.

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If that’s the case I think Brees should have just retired if he let that be the end of it and he wouldn’t have needed to fold, as some say he did.

If they let this trickle on the field and it’s truly the reason why this team is struggling then there was never any true leadership on this team to start with.

Simply put, this team is not playing good football on either side of the ball. Part of it is coaching but most of it is just poor execution by the players.

I’m not sure that we are the best team in the NFC South. Right now I say we might be the second team but if Atlanta will be a problem for us because of how explosive they are, especially since we really don’t have the ability to threaten defenses down the field.

As you said, 13 more games but if we don’t see a major turnaround, I have a feeling this is going to be an ugly season.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

You can tear that strawman down if you like. Makes no difference to me.

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Losing is always ugly, and imho, it could get Jaguars ugly here also, if the losing continues. I’ve thought DB#9 should have retired every year for the last six years though. Three 7-9 seasons, the two 13-3, and the 11-5 season. But, my belief has absolutely nothing to do with a social justice stance.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

If he was a better leader he would have read the room and knew how his teammates would react to what he said. It’s always better to cut ties too early instead of too late. Let’s see what Winston can do. If he’s trash we can tank for Lawrence/Fields/Lance.

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I’ve been on record for saying many times now, my personality is to pull the band-aid off quickly, get it over with and let the healing begin.

That being said, it’s not my job to make that decision, either on retiring or on moving forward with a new QB. I truly do see both sides. I deal with what I have. And right now, it’s executive leadership that is tied to an aging QB, and players that have (self proclamed) moved beyond the comments and are in a “better” place because of it. Rez, I’m not a fly on the wall in that locker-room, lol.

Bottom line, there is a finite time to win Superbowls..., but that’s for Everybody. AK#41 and MT#12 also, they have a shorter period of time than the QB. But coaching and management is currently telling me that the best QB is on the field now. My eyes tell me if that’s the best, lol, then the we’re in trouble!

The “all in” for DB#9’s final years seems very selfish to me. Let’s begin a new, younger, stronger, faster push for multiple SB’s over the next decade, right?

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It looks like Drew is a broken man. He stood strong for his belief in standing for the flag. And was viciously attacked! He was forced to go against his values for team unity. That sucks. A man should have the right to speak his mind without being beaten down by his team mates in public.

Having to back down on something that you deeply believe in can break you down. Drew doesn't have the passion for the game and I blame Malcolm(the Mouth) Jenkins for dividing the team. It's obvious that Drew's heart is not in the game. The fire is gone from his eyes.

Now, I realize that Drew should have stuck to his principles and just retired from that venomous environment where your team mates attack you. It's a shame that a good man has been beaten down just for disagreeing with someone who has a different opinion.

When did we lose the right to free speech?

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

So true it hurts. Disagreeing without being disagreeable. Why does everybody have to “follow” blindly, quite frequently to those who yell the loudest. On any side of the fence, it’s just wrong. So..., Very..., Wrong.

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Or he could have also stand on what he said, as they say I stand on this. No one can force you to change your mind on a matter unless you let them. He could have also just walked away from the team. What’s left for him to prove?

Look at the irony in what you said...because Brees changed his mind he is broken and the team is divided. In actuality, with him changing his stance you would think that they would be more united and the team would rally together.

We are the only ones still talking about this and using it as a crutch. Just be honest with yourselves and see things for what they are. Brees is declining and the defense is horrible right now. Maybe they get it together, maybe they don’t.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

His body language says I'm a beaten man. Personally, I think it's from troubles at the office not at home. The fire in his eyes is gone. I don't consider it to be self inflicted. Like I said, I realize now that he should have stood his ground and continued to speak his mind like everyone else who has a message that they insist that the world hear.

Let the fight be another challenge or just walk away from the whole tainted mess. I feel for the man. If you don't like him because of his stand and then reversal on it then that is up to you. Incidentally, does this team look like they have rallied together? Drew was sitting by himself on the bench. That has never happened before. This team certainly is playing like a "united team". They look dysfunctional but I'm sure the focus being off of football didn't help.

Peace out. :peace:

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If he didn’t have a genuine change of heart he should have stood on it. Thing is, anybody in leadership knows if you have something to say that’s going to alienate and offend the people you work with you probably should just avoid the question and keep those feelings to yourself. Winning cures all. If he was still balling his teammates would overlook it. When you say some **** the locker room doesn’t like then you come out there throwing ducks...everybody starts looking at the 6’4” kid who’s throwing 60 yard bombs in practice everyday.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Exactly This^^

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For the record, Danno didn't write this article. Jason Whitlock did. And I believe he's right.

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It wasnt directed at Danno. If it came across that way my apologies. That was directed at the statement...anyone who watched that game can see that this team as a whole is not performing well.

I'm sure that there are a million things that players disagree with but as a professional, when they hit the field its supposed to be us against the world. I dont see any players deliberately not doing what they are supposed to do to spite Brees or any other player.

All the things that went wrong in that game and he says that they ruined his Mojo? That's just lazy and him doing what he does best. Stirring the pot with a dumb statement.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Boy... This is going out of your way to miss the point.

Those two players gas-lighted a situation that otherwise civilized human beings should have been able to handle like a simple disagreement, talk behind closed doors, and get over it. They made a very public scene of hatred towards Brees which ignited the whole team against him. THEN they had their closed door meeting, where one can only assume, based on the bullying tactics they verbally used on twitter, that Brees was instructed that he would either see things their way or they would not play beside him. This gas-lighting led to death threats from others. No one said Jenkins or Thomas, themselves.

For Brees' part, he should have stood his ground, regardless of what the "discussion" was. But, he gave in to the pressure and put a game before his principles. And aside from the obvious distraction all of this would cause any team, I believe there is something that happens inside a man's mind when he forfeits his integrity in order to appease a few ignorant people. He's going around wearing a criminal's name on his helmet, and he doesn't even know who it is. He's just doing what he's told. That's a man who's lost his gonads. No one is following him, anymore. He's being dragged along. And that is crippling to a team's chemistry.

But, I don't feel sorry for any of them. They had their "priorities" and made their choices. Some people call it "karma". I simply say you reap what you sow.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

I disagree with you, and I think you've missed what the article states. He didn't say they killed just Brees' mojo. He said they killed the team's mojo.

It's also not about players intentionally not doing things to spite Brees. It's about the fractured state of the locker room, that he believes, and I would tend to concur, have probably affected that team. Brees gave in to their demands to get by, but after the nasty things that were said to him, it's hard to believe they could ever be a cohesive unit again.

I believe you said something earlier about other teams being undefeated as an example why the Saints shouldn't be affected. I fail to see how that has anything to do with the Saints. Can you name another team who had any player, much less the starting QB, get verbally assaulted by his teammates? All the other players around the league just fell right in line, because they didn't want the backlash, one would assume. But Brees spoke his mind, got attacked, and gave in. The so-called "leader" of the team has now been neutered. Unless you can point to another example of that happening, I don't think any of your arguments hold water, my friend.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

You’re assuming a lot in this post, by your own admissions. And Drew Brees did what he felt was the right thing to do, regardless of what you or I think. I happen to agree with you, on a lot of things, but guess what? Neither you, nor I are Drew Brees, neither of us know the conversations that happened, nor the manner in which they were held. It’s nothing more than assuming, And there is a common colloquialism associated with that habit. I won’t allow Brees, or for that manner you or anybody else, to tell me what I “should do” or shouldn’t. I give that same respect to everybody I meet, including you and everybody else. I have no right to tell you what you “should do” in any situation you face. I’m just not understanding of folks saying: “I woulda done this, instead of that”. It seems nonsensical bc, it wasn’t that person!

As far as the threats, it’s extremely simple. Absent direct interaction, not perceived or assumed interaction, from Thomas or Jenkins, they are in no way responsible for nut jobs and the threats they make. And I read absolutely no death threat encouragement from anyone at that time.

Bottom line..., his business ain’t my business. He handled it the way he felt was most appropriate. What “I would have done” is unimportant, unequivocally..., bc I ain’t him.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

My "assumptions" were not about whether or not he received death threats. That much is a fact. No one is saying Thomas or Jenkins threatened or encouraged violence against Brees. That is the second time you've made that straw man. The fact is that they incited a toxic situation, and the least they could have done is handle their business privately, from the start. They did not.

My assumptions are otherwise known as logical conclusions. I wasn't present when OJ Simpson killed two people, and the jury said he was innocent. There was evidence that he was abusive toward his wife/ex wife, which would lead one to believe, along with all of the other evidence, that he was the culprit. But since no one "was there", the jury decided it must have been anyone other than OJ.

Are you following my analogy? Does anyone in their right mind believe OJ was innocent? Brees has held a certain stance for a long time. That means we have an established understanding of his character. His teammates verbally raped him on twitter like a bunch of high school bullies. Drew is now the enemy on his own team. So He had a clear choice to make. Retire, knowing the team wasn't behind him, and retain his integrity, or sell his integrity and dignity down the road to play another season or two. He chose number two.

I don't have to wonder if there was a courteous conversation behind closed doors, wherein Drew suddenly changed his entire opinion on a stance he previously held steadfast to. Why? Drew had an established point of view, and his teammates had already established that they weren't capable of handling a disagreement like grown men. Because if they WERE, they would never have publicly attacked him, in the first place.

Therefore, I can logically conclude (or assume, if you prefer) that Drew was shouted down until he relented. That was the behavior already demonstrated by his teammates, and nobody changes their opinion in less than 24 hours. You are taking a leap of blind faith to conclude otherwise, IMO.

Now, as for not "having the right" to say what someone should do: I only agree to an extent. You can't tell someone WHAT to do. SHOULD do, is a different animal. Do you believe no one has the right to say you shouldn't steal, or lie, or commit a violent act? Do you believe that no one has the right to say you shouldn't sell your soul to play a game? We learn right from wrong, by our parents telling us what we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do.

BLM is a Marxist organization. The players are supporting criminals as they whine about police brutality. Drew has chosen willful ignorance in order to maintain his place on a football team. I have every right to say he should not have done that. Just like anyone would have the right to say it about me, if I did the same.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

...3) The Saints killed their mojo this offseason when Malcolm Jenkins and Michael Thomas executed a Black Lives Matter-inspired assassination of Drew Brees’ character.

Brees has never been the most talented NFL QB. His intangibles, particularly his leadership, are what made him great. The guy’s reputation was impeccable.

He was the guy New Orleans and the Saints rallied around. Jenkins and Thomas ruined that when they publicly criticized Brees because Brees had the audacity to defend standing for the national anthem.

Brees is no longer the leader of the Saints, who fell to 1-2 Sunday night. He’s a player on the team. It’s a tragedy what Jenkins and Thomas did to Brees, the NFL’s modern-day Walter Payton.

If the Saints miss the playoffs, blame Jenkins, Thomas and the media race hustlers...

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Based on that statement which was directed at two players and pertains to three that were mentioned, this was about Brees. Two players called Brees out. You are assuming that the entire team was torn on this matter when based on what we know, but everyone only mentions Brees as the one who was slighted or damaged by this situation. So if Brees is the only one who everyone says is the victim, why is the team as a whole not playing well?

My point is people need to stop making this an excuse. They supposedly resolved this during the summer. If this fractured this team then they weren’t that strong to start with. I don’t have to be your friend to accomplish a team goal.

For a group of professionals that is not acceptable and for a player of Brees statue, along with other veterans and captains on this team. I think/hope that they/he could overcome this. If it was that much of an issue, as I said Brees should have stood on what he said and if they didn’t like it, retire. Why put yourself through all this. If as you said he let another man “neuter him” then he should have manned up. As I said before, Brees could have simply stood on his belief or walked away.

Brees doesn’t play defense and he isn’t having issues with timing. He is however not able to push the ball down the field and has been inaccurate on some of his throws when he is trying to put some velocity on the ball.

If this team was 3-0 or even 2-1 this wouldn’t even be a conversation. Now the reason we are losing is because of mojo....

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Drew lost respect when he allowed himself to be bullied and manipulated, but this incident is not the only reason for the suckage up to this point.

We have lost the ability to say we are going to have to agree to disagree, and walk away. People can push their agenda all day long, but at the end of the day, bullying or lawmaking can't force people to genuinely think or feel the way you want them to. Freewill is what sets us apart.

A team is not one person, Drew shouldn't have caved and those painting the scarlet letter on Drew should have said we don't agree with your view, but respect you and let's move forward.

Winston is not the answer at this point. We lost the leagues best receiver, the D lacks leadership to pull the team together on the field. Sloppy play, penalty shots to the foot, there are so many things going on here.

I do feel we will still win out as the team starts to sync.

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There were more than just those two who called Brees out. Those two initiated it and made the biggest stink about it. Lots of players on the Saints, and on other teams, were on twitter either having a tirade, or talking about how disappointed they were in him, and how they couldn't believe he said that. No one stood up for him. So even if others on the team agreed with Drew, they said nothing, because nobody else got called out. Just Drew.

I'm not sure why you're asking me a question that I had already answered before you asked it, pertaining to why the team is fractured if only Drew got called out. The answer is that he's supposed to be the leader. He no longer is. Nobody is rallying behind anyone, and a team without leadership is just a collection of individuals playing for themselves. Payton is every bit as spineless as Drew turned out to be. Couple that with the fact that these guys were probably more emotionally invested in their virtue signaling tour than they were with football all off season, and this is what you get.

I'm not making excuses. I'm not sure if you've been following the forum much, but I'm one of several who no longer care about the Saints, and have not watched a second of the NFL this year. So I'm not in here trying to rationalize the losses in a way to make myself feel better. I have no dog in the race; just giving my opinion, as this was exactly what I expected after all the drama went down with Brees. I didn't see any way the team would recover from their own stupidity and ignorance.

You say it's unprofessional for them to not be able to overcome that. I say they're unprofessional for letting it get to that point, and so it should come as no surprise to anyone that they aren't strong or mature enough to overcome it.

And we are in agreement that Brees should have just stood by what he said. That's just what I've been saying. If it were me, I'd have said "if that's how you really feel about me, then I don't need this team. I'm not changing my principles for your feelings". But he got caught up in the PC cancel culture and by all appearances panicked at the idea of being black balled and vilified. He wouldn't have been vilified by people with a conscience. More people respected Brees before he backed down than those who respect him now. He made a short sighted decision, in my opinion, to save face.

For the record, though I don't know how anyone on the team is playing, I'm sure there are other reasons, aside from what we've discussed, as to why the team is losing. But the expectations coming into the year were sky high before all the mess, and I personally believe the distractions are mostly to blame for the team not coming together better than what their record would indicate.

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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints
 

Team chemistry is very real. It’s sensitive too. The article states Jenkins and Thomas killed the chemistry by publicly disagreeing with Brees. I’d say Brees killed the chemistry by being oblivious to the way his teammates and NFL colleagues would react to his statement. None of the other QB’s in the league had this problem this year. Brees decided to be Captain America.

Now when they had the team meetings I do believe the issue was solved. Losing and poor play opens up old wounds. Brees isn’t playing well. Most of us who are watching these games objectively can see that. So you have a 1st overall pick sitting on the bench. Everybody knows the playbook opens ALL the way back up if he hits the field.

Brees is playing like he knows somebody is coming for his spot. Like he’s scared to make a mistake and get benched. He did that to himself. You can’t make a statement contrary to the beliefs of your roster then come out there and check down to Kamara 20 times a game. Blaming Thomas and Jenkins for reacting to a public statement is odd when Brees never had to make the statement in the first place.

Whitlock is right. He isn’t the leader anymore. He did lose the locker room, but that’s not because of Jenkins or Thomas. It’s because he couldn’t read the room any better than he’s reading defenses right now.

Interesting Opinion Saints/Brees
 

https://www.outkick.com/nfl-truths-r...nz5xMRR3H6hZ1g

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3) The Saints killed their mojo this offseason when Malcolm Jenkins and Michael Thomas executed a Black Lives Matter-inspired assassination of Drew Brees’ character.

Brees has never been the most talented NFL QB. His intangibles, particularly his leadership, are what made him great. The guy’s reputation was impeccable.

He was the guy New Orleans and the Saints rallied around. Jenkins and Thomas ruined that when they publicly criticized Brees because Brees had the audacity to defend standing for the national anthem.

Brees is no longer the leader of the Saints, who fell to 1-2 Sunday night. He’s a player on the team. It’s a tragedy what Jenkins and Thomas did to Brees, the NFL’s modern-day Walter Payton.

If the Saints miss the playoffs, blame Jenkins, Thomas and the media race hustlers.

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Exactly..., And neither Brees, Thomas nor Jenkins are in need of “parents telling them what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do”. It’s their confrontation, they said they handled it, Period. Is it possible that emotions and commentary become more heated in the future? Sure, if they continue losing. Winning, regardless of who is at the QB is a cure-all for what ails the locker room.

lol at the straw man argument. My friend, this is a public forum full of opinions, it’s not moderated as to “form” or “function” in our speech, it’s not peer reviewed such that experts analyze our statements. It’s very simply..., opinions. And anybody who brings “OJ” into a discussion, while simultaneously calling another out over usage of informal fallacious speak fails to abide by the same set of rules he expects from others.

Bottom line, what other ppl do wrt their interpersonal relationships ain’t none of my business. Doubly so for royalty, Hollywood elites and professional athletes. I’m just not a pitchforker. But..., to each their own.

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I'd just like to know how you expected him to "read" the locker room, when he had already made these statements a couple of years earlier, and no one blinked.

YOU seem oblivious to the fact that it suddenly became "cool" to shame anyone who doesn't believe in the BLM propaganda and all of the bells and whistles that come with it. Brees was asked a question. A question that, again, he had already answered before, with no backlash. He answered again, gave a thoughtful response- one that I personally even thought was a bit TOO polite, as he merely stated that he disagreed with the method of protest, and not the cause- and never called any person out, individually.

If the players have a problem with him saying "look, just not during the anthem, where we pay respects to the people who paid for our freedom", then that's on them. All I ever hear is that we should just "listen" to what these players are saying. What about listening to the other side of the argument, then? The players say "it's not about the flag". Nobody is saying it's about the flag, itself. It's clearly about what it represents to them. We've had this discussion, and heard all the arguments from both sides. But Drew wasn't even taking a side. He was basically saying "if you have a grievance, that's fine, but the flag isn't about any perceived inequalities, it's about us, as Americans. Do your protest at a more appropriate time."

In other words, while the flag might mean one thing to the other players, it means something else to Drew. He wasn't telling them their cause was right or wrong which, again, was a little passive for my taste, but I understood that he was trying to walk a fine line. He was merely saying he didn't think that was the right way to go about pushing their cause. I think that is something that grown men should have been easily able to agree to disagree on, at worst.

He didn't owe it to them to read their minds and respect THEIR opinions, if they couldn't respect his. That's not the way it works.

Is Brees diminished, physically? Of course he is. I was trying to point out his decline years ago, and was almost universally labeled as a hater, as people were telling me he was going to play till he was at least 45, and dominate, because nutrition, and core workouts and some other nonsense that was supposed to make him not age. But his noodle arm isn't exactly a new phenomenon that suddenly appeared this year, is it? So why is everyone talking about how the team is playing like crap? What's different from last year?

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Posted the same article.... crazy

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You don't seem to understand what I even mean by "straw man". It's not about a "form of speech". I don't care if you write like Shakespeare, or big bubba down the street. Your straw man was arguing that Neither Thomas nor Jenkins has advocated for violence, when that is not the argument anyone was making. My OJ comment was very clearly an analogy (which I specifically stated) to explain how one doesn't have to "be there" in order to draw certain conclusions. I thought of the most likely real life situation that I thought you'd be familiar with to make an analogy. I don't think that's rocket science, friend. And I think you knew exactly what I was doing. So, with all due respect, I'd appreciate it if you'd spare me the drivel about this being a public forum, and not peer reviewed, and holding people to a different standard than myself. None of that had anything to do with what I said.

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I’m sure you’d find me co-signing your comments about his decline. Again, anybody being objective could see it coming. When you hit the age wall it’s drastic.

As far as him making the same statement a few years ago, it’s 2020. Things change from year to year...even day to day. I’m not surprised he didn’t sense the shift because I see the same thing when he’s in the pocket. That’s like me commenting on this predominantly Conservative forum and expecting back up when I start talking about the issues that matter to me. On the contrary. We’ve had many battles over every painstaking detail of said issues. I know what I’m getting myself into as soon as I leave a comment.

It’s not about him owing them. It’s about being a leader of men. He thought he could say whatever and his troops would rally behind him and he thought wrong. The troops said **** you. That’s on him and nobody else. Just because you’re asked a question doesn’t mean you have to answer it. No comment is simple. You can even tell reporters not to ask you about certain things. Again, no other QB had this issue. If you wanna lead some **** you better learn how to play politics.

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You keep saying the same thing, just worded differently. "Well if Brees was a real leader he should have read the room. If he was a real leader he shouldn't have given his opinion." To which I would say if his "teammates" were better men they wouldn't have reacted the way they did to someone expressing an opinion they disagree with. Brees' initial statement wasn't hateful. It was carefully worded so as to give his opinion without trying to overtly offend anyone. And it was a statement he made in response to a direct question. Its not like he hopped on twitter to give an unsolicited opinion.

Unfortunately, the timeout generation is reaching "adulthood." The kids whose parents allowed them to have public meltdowns without consequence. These people are conditioned to believe that if they scream loud enough they will get their way. They never learned how to work through their feelings in a productive manner, they didn't learn to overcome adversity. They threw tantrums and got participation trophies instead. They expect all opinions to be equally valid, as long as its the "correct" opinion. They want everyone to be allowed to have their own "truth" unless that truth hurts their feelings. They're basically still children from a mental and emotional standpoint..but we're supposed to look up to these people, listen to them and believe they have all the answers. Nah bro, miss me with that sh*t.

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Sometimes it’s not what you say, it’s when or how you say it. Again, that’s Leadership 101. If your wife asks if she looks fat in that dress it’s on you if you say yeah. Now imagine if she asks you that right after you got caught cheating and y’all are working on your relationship. You better lie if you don’t want those divorce papers.

As far as the next generation, the youth is always the vanguard of change. That just is what it is. It doesn’t matter if we agree with it or not, it’s inevitable. Old **** gets phased out. Brees is the old ****.