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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 898515)

I thought we were talking about a conversation between M.Thomas, M.Jenkins, and D.Brees and whether D.Brees lost the locker-room bc of that issue, or if he lost the locker-room bc of his play? Culture War Smultcher-War, who cares, it won’t change how I feel about things. Like I said before, you would be surprised to find out that I probably agree with you on many of the things you are stating. Only difference is I think there are valid arguments to be made against them also..., bc we are all different. The things that make up my beliefs are defined by everything that has happened to me in the past and what’s going on currently. I guarantee you that each person’s histories are different, and may very well be vastly different. Drew Brees, and the others involved, did what he/they felt needed to be done or said, based on their current team and peers, the current culture in that very specific locker room, among many other items. I can’t understand that dynamics bc I wasn’t there, I wasn’t a player in that locker-room, I am not a member of that culture in that organization. So, it’s not fair for me to say: “he shoulda done this”.

Virtue signaling has two faces, I’m a fan of neither.

We've already addressed the three original players in question, and the conversation moved onward to issues related to the subject matter involving said players. I assumed you were keeping up. It seemed you were. Now you're trying to push my points aside as being "not part of the conversation", I guess?

All that stuff you said about there being valid arguments to be made against my position, because "people are different", and your beliefs being made up of your experiences is really just a long way of not making a valid argument against my points. You keep saying you probably agree with me on most things, but you keep arguing with me, and yet not really addressing the problems I've raised with the players' stance; instead punting the conversation to "there are valid arguments to be made against it, and everyone is different".

You say you don't like virtue signaling. Neither do I. But your refusal to meet the issues I'm raising head on, and trying to show me that you are open minded, by not actually taking a position, is what I'd call virtue signaling. Everyone has a right to an opinion. Not everyone's opinion is right, however. There is no such thing as "my truth" and "your truth" and "their truth". There is only THE truth. The only way for any conversation to be productive is for all parties involved to actively search for that truth. It's not good enough just to say "well, I may disagree with them, but I'm sure they have a valid reason for what they believe", anymore than it is good enough to shout people down without hearing what they have to say.

I don't believe Drew thinks he did the "right" thing. I think he just wanted to save his butt from criticism rather than face the fire. But even if, for the sake of argument, he DID change is mind, that doesn't make him right, and I do not have to respect his opinion, and I have the right to say he was wrong. Reality does not back the narrative the players are pushing. Period. This is what I mean about everyone having a responsibility to know what they believe and why. Because, if you want your opinion to be respected, you better have the facts to back up what you say. The players don't. This thing you're doing about refusing to say that someone's opinion is wrong, simply because you don't know them, makes no sense to me. I don't have to know these people to know the narrative is false. We're not discussing their relationship choices, we're talking about this supposed "cause".

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898470)

You make a couple of fatal errors. One, that you believe it's cool for grown men to drastically shift in their ability to tolerate the same comment from just 3 years or so ago, to now. You make it sound like he said something in 1989, and now, 31 years later, he says it again. I mean, that's just absurd.

Second, sports aren't supposed to even be about politics. You're sitting there telling him he should learn to play politics, but these guys played the worst "game" of politics imaginable when they started protesting during the anthem. No one prompted them. Drew was asked a question. And he gave a VERY politically correct answer. He went out of his way to not disrespect their cause. He just wanted the method to move away from it's current form. And if they didn't have a problem with him saying that before, why now? When did being a "leader of men" start to involve mind reading capabilities? His job was to lead a football team. How much time do you think they spend talking about each other's feelings?

We agree on a lot of subjects...even some on this thread. I totally agree that Sports and politics don't belong together but the BLM movement gave us no option. I agree that Drew tried to be diplomatic but no one respected Drew's opinion if it didn't align with their predetermined notions. That is stubborn. See it my way or we'll turn All BLM supporters against you and your family.

Like you said I wish he had stuck to his guns and used it as motivation. It's no longer us against them...it's us against Drew. Drew Brees sat alone on the bench. Previously he was the unquestioned leader. It's a shame that non football agendas can make a team dysfunctional.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898520)

Yes, we did address the three and we concluded that none of them directly threatened or encouraged threatening actions to the others. As far as social justice warrior’ing a cultural war, lol, it reminds of that scene in Blazing Saddles.

“We must do something about this immediately, immediately, immediately..., Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph..., give the Guvnah a harrumph.”

lol. Go on with your bad self, enjoy, have fun.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 898487)

And you've just showed this entire forum that you are anti-American. That is literally the only possible way to arrive at the conclusion you just made.

Bahahahahaha. That's an opinion. We all have one and most stink. Those of you who don't car about football, why don't you just stay away? You lurk around waiting for something political to be posted before you come out from under your rock. Then all you do is complain about football now being political. The hypocrisy is real. All of you just want to argue.

Rez.....you're one of the most respectable people on this board. If being pro-American means being short-sighted and judgmental.....call me anti-American too, and piss on ya

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898499)

I didn’t know anybody blocked me! That’s what’s up. 😁

It's time for me to start using that function. I just want to talk football.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 898533)

Since they don't have football to watch they've just adopted a new sport ... beating a dead horse.

:deadhorse2::deadhorse:

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 898341)

The Saints killed their mojo this offseason when Malcolm Jenkins and Michael Thomas executed a Black Lives Matter-inspired assassination of Drew Brees’ character.

Brees has never been the most talented NFL QB. His intangibles, particularly his leadership, are what made him great. The guy’s reputation was impeccable.

He was the guy New Orleans and the Saints rallied around. Jenkins and Thomas ruined that when they publicly criticized Brees because Brees had the audacity to defend standing for the national anthem.

Brees is no longer the leader of the Saints, who fell to 1-2 Sunday night. He’s a player on the team. It’s a tragedy what Jenkins and Thomas did to Brees, the NFL’s modern-day Walter Payton.

If the Saints miss the playoffs, blame Jenkins, Thomas and the media race hustlers.

https://www.outkick.com/nfl-truths-r...ore-cardi-bee/

Their goal is destruction as a form of retribution. Just stop watching, buying the merchandise, and going to games. It's the only real way to show you disapprove.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by pinch (Post 898540)

Their goal is destruction as a form of retribution. Just stop watching, buying the merchandise, and going to games. It's the only real way to show you disapprove.

And I'll watch twice as much (pretty impossible), buy twice as much (been doing that), and will go to games as soon as we can. Ticket prices may even be better! Woohoo!

:bng:

:party:

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 898533)

I appreciate that my brotha. The respect is mutual.

Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 898533)

I'll agree completely on Rez's character. Outside of this forum I have come to know him and appreciate what he has contributed to me as a friend and confidant. He also outkicked his coverage in marriage.

;)

Edit: Outkicked mine, as well.