USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents

ChrisXVI · 10-22-2020, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The Saints Safety's and Corner's seem to leave here and do better elsewhere. Curious.

And then come back and suck again a la Malcolm Jenkins and PRob.

K Major · 10-22-2020, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The Saints Safety's and Corner's seem to leave here and do better elsewhere. Curious.

Coaching?

I'd never confuse Dennis Allen with Jim Schwartz.

The Dude · 10-22-2020, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

His ball skills are truly incredible when he has that light bulb moment. I remember when he grabbed 2 picks vs bucs in his rookie year, I thought we had the next best safety in the league.

Not to mention the huge int he had right before the minnesota mess up. He's feast or famine unfortunately, this year though, the entire secondary is atrocious.

This is why I never bought into the idea that defenses are a step ahead of the offenses in camp and preseason. Lots of teams are having a tough time on D this year even though they have the personnel to be good. There is too much talent on our defense to be this bad. Our secondary comes out slow for the first two games every year even when they have a full offseason. This week is put up or shut up time for our defense. No more excuses.

ChrisXVI · 10-22-2020, 04:00 PM

Oregon’s Jevon Holland in the first round next year.

rezburna · 10-22-2020, 04:20 PM

We need a change in our defensive coordinator and secondary coach. I think what they ask of him is not his skill set.

As far as our defense is concerned, it’s ranked in the top 10. They aren’t the problem.

dizzle88 · 10-22-2020, 04:46 PM

Letting Vonn Bell leave was so stupid.

ChrisXVI · 10-22-2020, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Letting Vonn Bell leave was so stupid.

You’ve hit on a major point here that I’ve been thinking about this season. Vonn Bell was the “captain” of the secondary who made all of the adjustments. Those guys grew together over the years and had developed their way of communicating on the field.

Why did we let Vonn Bell go?!? I truly think the reason our secondary has become so mediocre is solely because of Vonn leaving. We made the wrong choice.

dizzle88 · 10-22-2020, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

You’ve hit on a major point here that I’ve been thinking about this season. Vonn Bell was the “captain” of the secondary who made all of the adjustments. Those guys grew together over the years and had developed their way of communicating on the field.

Why did we let Vonn Bell go?!? I truly think the reason our secondary has become so mediocre is solely because of Vonn leaving. We made the wrong choice.

I made this point in the off-season and a bunch of the Saints beat reporters quickly tried to correct me, saying Jenkins will bring a veteran presence and is better in coverage.

So far he looks just as useless as his first stint here and the D as a whole look confused. After a big play you just see them looking around like who's fault was that?

Vonn was a turnover machine with forced fumbles too, our D is shockingly last in the league in turnovers generated.

rezburna · 10-22-2020, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I made this point in the off-season and a bunch of the Saints beat reporters quickly tried to correct me, saying Jenkins will bring a veteran presence and is better in coverage.

So far he looks just as useless as his first stint here and the D as a whole look confused. After a big play you just see them looking around like who's fault was that?

Vonn was a turnover machine with forced fumbles too, our D is shockingly last in the league in turnovers generated.

I disagree on this one. Von Bell is grading out horribly over there in Cincy, and we’re rated a position higher in pass defense than we were last year. The issues that persist with the Saints defense have been consistent. Pass interference, third downs, and giving up big plays at bad times. That was here when Bell was here. It was here when Byrd was here. It’s been like that since the loss of Sharper.

ChrisXVI · 10-22-2020, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I disagree on this one. Von Bell is grading out horribly over there in Cincy, and we’re rated a position higher in pass defense than we were last year. The issues that persist with the Saints defense have been consistent. Pass interference, third downs, and giving up big plays at bad times. That was here when Bell was here. It was here when Byrd was here. It’s been like that since the loss of Sharper.

Who’s doing this “grading?” Please don’t tell me you as a football player are using PFF as a reference.

10-22-2020, 03:44 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by iceshack149 The Saints Safety's and Corner's seem to leave here and do better elsewhere. Curious. And then come back and suck again a la Malcolm Jenkins and PRob. Sainters7 and 73Saint like this.

10-22-2020, 04:02 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by iceshack149 The Saints Safety's and Corner's seem to leave here and do better elsewhere. Curious. Coaching? I'd never confuse Dennis Allen with Jim Schwartz.

10-22-2020, 03:47 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by dizzle88 His ball skills are truly incredible when he has that light bulb moment. I remember when he grabbed 2 picks vs bucs in his rookie year, I thought we had the next best safety in the league. Not to mention the huge int he had right before the minnesota mess up. He's feast or famine unfortunately, this year though, the entire secondary is atrocious. This is why I never bought into the idea that defenses are a step ahead of the offenses in camp and preseason. Lots of teams are having a tough time on D this year even though they have the personnel to be good. There is too much talent on our defense to be this bad. Our secondary comes out slow for the first two games every year even when they have a full offseason. This week is put up or shut up time for our defense. No more excuses.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Oregon’s Jevon Holland in the first round next year.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,120	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents We need a change in our defensive coordinator and secondary coach. I think what they ask of him is not his skill set. As far as our defense is concerned, it’s ranked in the top 10. They aren’t the problem. WillMacKenzie, 73Saint and gosaints1 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Letting Vonn Bell leave was so stupid. jeanpierre, 73Saint and ChrisXVI like this.

10-22-2020, 05:05 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by dizzle88 Letting Vonn Bell leave was so stupid. You’ve hit on a major point here that I’ve been thinking about this season. Vonn Bell was the “captain” of the secondary who made all of the adjustments. Those guys grew together over the years and had developed their way of communicating on the field. Why did we let Vonn Bell go?!? I truly think the reason our secondary has become so mediocre is solely because of Vonn leaving. We made the wrong choice. jeanpierre and dizzle88 like this.

10-22-2020, 05:13 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by ChrisXVI You’ve hit on a major point here that I’ve been thinking about this season. Vonn Bell was the “captain” of the secondary who made all of the adjustments. Those guys grew together over the years and had developed their way of communicating on the field. Why did we let Vonn Bell go?!? I truly think the reason our secondary has become so mediocre is solely because of Vonn leaving. We made the wrong choice. I made this point in the off-season and a bunch of the Saints beat reporters quickly tried to correct me, saying Jenkins will bring a veteran presence and is better in coverage. So far he looks just as useless as his first stint here and the D as a whole look confused. After a big play you just see them looking around like who's fault was that? Vonn was a turnover machine with forced fumbles too, our D is shockingly last in the league in turnovers generated. ChrisXVI likes this.

10-22-2020, 05:16 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,120	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by dizzle88 I made this point in the off-season and a bunch of the Saints beat reporters quickly tried to correct me, saying Jenkins will bring a veteran presence and is better in coverage. So far he looks just as useless as his first stint here and the D as a whole look confused. After a big play you just see them looking around like who's fault was that? Vonn was a turnover machine with forced fumbles too, our D is shockingly last in the league in turnovers generated. I disagree on this one. Von Bell is grading out horribly over there in Cincy, and we’re rated a position higher in pass defense than we were last year. The issues that persist with the Saints defense have been consistent. Pass interference, third downs, and giving up big plays at bad times. That was here when Bell was here. It was here when Byrd was here. It’s been like that since the loss of Sharper. gosaints1 and K Major like this.

10-22-2020, 07:55 PM	#10
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by rezburna I disagree on this one. Von Bell is grading out horribly over there in Cincy, and we’re rated a position higher in pass defense than we were last year. The issues that persist with the Saints defense have been consistent. Pass interference, third downs, and giving up big plays at bad times. That was here when Bell was here. It was here when Byrd was here. It’s been like that since the loss of Sharper. Who’s doing this “grading?” Please don’t tell me you as a football player are using PFF as a reference.