Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ****

gosaints1 · 10-29-2020, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

7th? LOL .. how can Dennis Allen continuously put our secondary in zone coverage get ranked that high?...

Depends on what single metrics you used to evaluate the defense. Hell, statistically, I can make Dallas’ defense “appear” to be better than what it actually is. But..., the eye test never fails my friend. Ppl pay to much attention to quantitative analyses these days, myself included, lol. But the eye test? It just doesn’t fail.

A bad pass defense is a bad pass defense. Allowing more passing TD’s than any other team in the league just isn’t championship level football. Play has been bad also. I’ve seen more defensive backs late to their assignments than I’ve ever seen before. That’s not coaching, those are just missed assignments. I’m not overly fond of Dennis Allen and regardless of who to blame, ultimately it’s either his scheme failure or his leadership failure that has allowed the defense to be rock bottom in passing TD’s allowed.

blackangold · 10-29-2020, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

That is completely on coaching. If you don't see this, not sure what to tell you.

If you can't defend your position I understand...

K Major · 10-29-2020, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

If you can't defend your position I understand...

Watch more games.

st thomas · 10-31-2020, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Is it Dennis Allen or Aaron Glenn... or both.

Swapping the d-coordinator mid season is troublesome, since the defense isn't bottom of the league.

Maybe a new secondary coach could be a wake-up call even if Glenn's not the reason for the bad secondary performance.

It’s both , does anyone see this defense can completely turn this around into a super bowl de. I really was giving them to the midpoint to (get it ) it’s looking grim

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Rugby Saint II · 10-31-2020, 02:03 PM

The offense is slowly getting better each week. However, the defense gets worse each week....I will admit that Davenport helped the front seven but the back end still needs help desperately.

AsylumGuido · 10-31-2020, 02:58 PM

Doom and gloom.

I don't get it. Y'all are acting as if the defense is horrible. They got beat early with tons of penalties. Those are getting under control recently. They are not getting shredded by opposing offenses. They have one of the very best run defenses in the league. Of course teams are going to have to turn to the pass and they'll get a big play here or there. In case y'all haven't been paying attention big pass plays are the norm across the whole league this season.

TheOak · 11-01-2020, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Saints secondary has sucked bigly since the great super bowl victory... started with that dude from Texas....and just got worse since.

It sucked then, we were 26th in passing ans without Sharper's 9 interceptions we would have been much worse. He deserves as much credit for the success of that season as Drew

No player has more INTs since 2007.

10-29-2020, 09:28 AM	#31
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by K Major** 7th? LOL .. how can Dennis Allen continuously put our secondary in zone coverage get ranked that high?... Depends on what single metrics you used to evaluate the defense. Hell, statistically, I can make Dallas’ defense “appear” to be better than what it actually is. But..., the eye test never fails my friend. Ppl pay to much attention to quantitative analyses these days, myself included, lol. But the eye test? It just doesn’t fail. A bad pass defense is a bad pass defense. Allowing more passing TD’s than any other team in the league just isn’t championship level football. Play has been bad also. I’ve seen more defensive backs late to their assignments than I’ve ever seen before. That’s not coaching, those are just missed assignments. I’m not overly fond of Dennis Allen and regardless of who to blame, ultimately it’s either his scheme failure or his leadership failure that has allowed the defense to be rock bottom in passing TD’s allowed.
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10-29-2020, 01:57 PM	#32
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by K Major** That is completely on coaching. If you don't see this, not sure what to tell you. If you can't defend your position I understand...

10-29-2020, 04:30 PM	#33
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by blackangold** If you can't defend your position I understand... Watch more games.

10-31-2020, 01:35 PM	#34
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by FinSaint** Is it Dennis Allen or Aaron Glenn... or both. Swapping the d-coordinator mid season is troublesome, since the defense isn't bottom of the league. Maybe a new secondary coach could be a wake-up call even if Glenn's not the reason for the bad secondary performance. It’s both , does anyone see this defense can completely turn this around into a super bowl de. I really was giving them to the midpoint to (get it ) it’s looking grim Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-31-2020, 02:03 PM	#35
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like **** The offense is slowly getting better each week. However, the defense gets worse each week....I will admit that Davenport helped the front seven but the back end still needs help desperately.

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10-31-2020, 02:58 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like **** Doom and gloom. I don't get it. Y'all are acting as if the defense is horrible. They got beat early with tons of penalties. Those are getting under control recently. They are not getting shredded by opposing offenses. They have one of the very best run defenses in the league. Of course teams are going to have to turn to the pass and they'll get a big play here or there. In case y'all haven't been paying attention big pass plays are the norm across the whole league this season.

11-01-2020, 08:25 AM	#37
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by mapcow** Saints secondary has sucked bigly since the great super bowl victory... started with that dude from Texas....and just got worse since. It sucked then, we were 26th in passing ans without Sharper's 9 interceptions we would have been much worse. He deserves as much credit for the success of that season as Drew No player has more INTs since 2007. halloween 65 likes this.