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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by gosaints1 While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an ...

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Old 12-14-2020, 10:07 AM   #1
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 View Post
While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it.
I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was:

Eagles punt.
Saints TD.
Eagles punt.
Saints TD

CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART.
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Old 12-14-2020, 11:53 AM   #2
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I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was:

Eagles punt.
Saints TD.
Eagles punt.
Saints TD

CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART.
The ball was in his hands though, he was a receiver at that point, and he missed his chance. I’m not blaming him specifically, nor anyone individually, but if you want to hyper-focus on the 4th and 2 fumble play, it was a horrible play call. Stringing out that play to the short side of field? Nah, it failed before it began. The offense did fail, so did the defense, on multiple 4th down conversions, an 82 yard TD run, and TWO individual 100 yard rushers.

No doubt about it that the offense failed when it needed to. No doubt about it that the defense failed to stop the run. No doubt about it that the kicking game was off. Only a biased person blames one specific side. I just can’t view things that way. wrt this game specifically, there is more than enough “blame” to go around. To all three portions of the Saints team.
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I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was:

Eagles punt.
Saints TD.
Eagles punt.
Saints TD

CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART.
Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly.
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Old 12-14-2020, 12:41 PM   #4
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Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly.
I think Hill played a decent game, but turnovers and missed field goals were what stood out to me. I’m not concerned with a team giving up 24 points in a league catered to offense. We need to score. Period. When it’s all said and done the Chiefs are going to score. The Packers are going to score. The elite teams are going to score. Can you get stops at pivotal moments? The Saints defense did that. Offense has to answer the bell.
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Old 12-14-2020, 01:08 PM   #5
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I think Hill played a decent game, but turnovers and missed field goals were what stood out to me. I’m not concerned with a team giving up 24 points in a league catered to offense. We need to score. Period. When it’s all said and done the Chiefs are going to score. The Packers are going to score. The elite teams are going to score. Can you get stops at pivotal moments? The Saints defense did that. Offense has to answer the bell.
IDK Rez, while I do think the offense and ST (and coaching) were big parts of the loss, I don’t think it’s fair to brush off the D performance as just giving up 24 points in an offensive based league.

Philly hadn’t reached even 20 points in their previous 3 games. Saints hadn’t allowed that many in quite a few. The D gave up well over 400 yards and got 0 sacks....Allowed an obscene amount of rushing yards against a non rushing team. All against a rookie QB who they allowed to spank them (further fueling the belief that the team struggles against backups/rookies that some claim is “unfounded”). Now that sure as heck is a down game for what they had been producing and I bet every player on the D would be among the first to admit that.

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Old 12-14-2020, 03:25 PM   #6
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IDK Rez, while I do think the offense and ST (and coaching) were big parts of the loss, I don’t think it’s fair to brush off the D performance as just giving up 24 points in an offensive based league.

Philly hadn’t reached even 20 points in their previous 3 games. Saints hadn’t allowed that many in quite a few. The D gave up well over 400 yards and got 0 sacks....Allowed an obscene amount of rushing yards against a non rushing team. All against a rookie QB who they allowed to spank them (further fueling the belief that the team struggles against backups/rookies that some claim is “unfounded”). Now that sure as heck is a down game for what they had been producing and I bet every player on the D would be among the first to admit that.
Hurts was a spark against Green Bay and he built on that performance. They scored 24 but the offense gift wrapped them 10 with that fumble and the interception. If they scored 24 with no turnovers from the Saints I’d be a little more worried, but like I said before, the bulk of their yards came on one play. They weren’t getting all those yards on the ground from traditional run plays. It was QB scrambles outside of that one chunk play.

Sanders got 82 yards off one carry. He finished with 115 on 14 carries. The other 13 carries were 2.5 yards a carry. Again, I’m not concerned.
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Hurts was a spark against Green Bay and he built on that performance. They scored 24 but the offense gift wrapped them 10 with that fumble and the interception. If they scored 24 with no turnovers from the Saints I’d be a little more worried, but like I said before, the bulk of their yards came on one play. They weren’t getting all those yards on the ground from traditional run plays. It was QB scrambles outside of that one chunk play.

Sanders got 82 yards off one carry. He finished with 115 on 14 carries. The other 13 carries were 2.5 yards a carry. Again, I’m not concerned.
I hope you are right. Seems like I saw a few too many bad angles, broke tackles, and YAC to make me feel good.
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Old 12-14-2020, 04:37 PM   #8
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I hope you are right. Seems like I saw a few too many bad angles, broke tackles, and YAC to make me feel good.
I see that from every team. Steelers supposed to have the best defense in the league and I see it from them. Styles make fights. I’ve had the same gripe all year. The Saints HAVE to score. I don’t care if the defense holds the other team to a goose egg. If we win 10-0 I’m looking at the offense like wtf? That **** won’t fly against KC.
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Hurts was a spark against Green Bay and he built on that performance. They scored 24 but the offense gift wrapped them 10 with that fumble and the interception. If they scored 24 with no turnovers from the Saints I’d be a little more worried, but like I said before, the bulk of their yards came on one play. They weren’t getting all those yards on the ground from traditional run plays. It was QB scrambles outside of that one chunk play.

Sanders got 82 yards off one carry. He finished with 115 on 14 carries. The other 13 carries were 2.5 yards a carry. Again, I’m not concerned.
Not buying it Rez. Is the defense “trash”? Nope, not even close, it’s a very good defense, but it’s also a very good offense, and a very good special teams unit. On that Sunday, all three phases failed, including the defense. Your comment referring to 82 yards being the “bulk” of the run stats doesn’t fly. 246 yards allowed by the Saints from the opposing team, who and where it comes from is unimportant, an 6.8 yard average and that 82 yard run was only ⅓ of the total given up. There was another 164 yards allowed outside of that 82 yard TD run. Philly ran ALL over the vaunted Saints run defense. Two, count them TWO 100 yard rushers in the same game. And two of four 4th down conversions allowed, that should not be a 50/50 allowed stat, it just shouldn’t be. 0 of 4 is preferred, I think 1 of 4 would be an below average day. That’s 2 turnover on downs missed, it shouldn’t happen.

Offense failed

Defense failed

Special teams failed

If anyone if those groups stepped up, it would have been a win, but almost all the “game changers” went to Philly. I’m concerned for all three, yes, including defense. That being said, I’m more optimistic for the future of this team than I’ve been over the past three years.
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Old 12-15-2020, 12:05 PM   #10
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Not buying it Rez. Is the defense “trash”? Nope, not even close, it’s a very good defense, but it’s also a very good offense, and a very good special teams unit. On that Sunday, all three phases failed, including the defense. Your comment referring to 82 yards being the “bulk” of the run stats doesn’t fly. 246 yards allowed by the Saints from the opposing team, who and where it comes from is unimportant, an 6.8 yard average and that 82 yard run was only ⅓ of the total given up. There was another 164 yards allowed outside of that 82 yard TD run. Philly ran ALL over the vaunted Saints run defense. Two, count them TWO 100 yard rushers in the same game. And two of four 4th down conversions allowed, that should not be a 50/50 allowed stat, it just shouldn’t be. 0 of 4 is preferred, I think 1 of 4 would be an below average day. That’s 2 turnover on downs missed, it shouldn’t happen.

Offense failed

Defense failed

Special teams failed

If anyone if those groups stepped up, it would have been a win, but almost all the “game changers” went to Philly. I’m concerned for all three, yes, including defense. That being said, I’m more optimistic for the future of this team than I’ve been over the past three years.
That’s a fair assessment. For me, I’m not concerned. Yards are just yards. I don’t feel like our defense was dominated. All those yards and we lost by 3. It’s just not concerning to me. If the damage was coming mostly from designed runs it would be different for me, but he was just scrambling. It’s easy to get chunks of yards that way. I wish Taysom did it more.
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