Wtf is up with Lutz???

The Dude · 12-13-2020, 06:21 PM

Jesus.

rezburna · 12-13-2020, 06:33 PM

Those two misses cost us big time.

gosaints1 · 12-14-2020, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Those two misses cost us big time.

While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it.

Budsdrinker · 12-14-2020, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it.

The missed Sanders didn't cost us because the next play was TD to Cook

gosaints1 · 12-14-2020, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The missed Sanders didn't cost us because the next play was TD to Cook

Didn’t cost us, but it was still a miss as far as success/fail evaluation on any play. Too wide open to not make that play. That was a “gimmee” to coin the golf phrase, it shouldn’t have been missed.

Budsdrinker · 12-14-2020, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Didn’t cost us, but it was still a miss as far as success/fail evaluation on any play. Too wide open to not make that play. That was a “gimmee” to coin the golf phrase, it shouldn’t have been missed.

He was running to his left when he threw the ball, wasn't like he was standing in the pocket. Throws that aren't 100% when making your 4th start in the NFL as a QB.

rezburna · 12-14-2020, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it.

I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was:

Eagles punt.
Saints TD.
Eagles punt.
Saints TD

CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART.

gosaints1 · 12-14-2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was:

Eagles punt.
Saints TD.
Eagles punt.
Saints TD

CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART.

The ball was in his hands though, he was a receiver at that point, and he missed his chance. I’m not blaming him specifically, nor anyone individually, but if you want to hyper-focus on the 4th and 2 fumble play, it was a horrible play call. Stringing out that play to the short side of field? Nah, it failed before it began. The offense did fail, so did the defense, on multiple 4th down conversions, an 82 yard TD run, and TWO individual 100 yard rushers.

No doubt about it that the offense failed when it needed to. No doubt about it that the defense failed to stop the run. No doubt about it that the kicking game was off. Only a biased person blames one specific side. I just can’t view things that way. wrt this game specifically, there is more than enough “blame” to go around. To all three portions of the Saints team.

Budsdrinker · 12-14-2020, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was:

Eagles punt.
Saints TD.
Eagles punt.
Saints TD

CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART.

Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly.

rezburna · 12-14-2020, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly.

I think Hill played a decent game, but turnovers and missed field goals were what stood out to me. I’m not concerned with a team giving up 24 points in a league catered to offense. We need to score. Period. When it’s all said and done the Chiefs are going to score. The Packers are going to score. The elite teams are going to score. Can you get stops at pivotal moments? The Saints defense did that. Offense has to answer the bell.

12-13-2020, 06:21 PM	#1
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12-13-2020, 06:33 PM	#2
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12-14-2020, 08:18 AM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by rezburna Those two misses cost us big time. While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it. Thirty3 likes this.
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12-14-2020, 08:20 AM	#4
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by gosaints1 While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it. The missed Sanders didn't cost us because the next play was TD to Cook FinSaint, gosaints1 and Audiotom like this.

12-14-2020, 11:58 AM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The missed Sanders didn't cost us because the next play was TD to Cook Didn’t cost us, but it was still a miss as far as success/fail evaluation on any play. Too wide open to not make that play. That was a “gimmee” to coin the golf phrase, it shouldn’t have been missed.
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12-14-2020, 12:03 PM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by gosaints1 Didn’t cost us, but it was still a miss as far as success/fail evaluation on any play. Too wide open to not make that play. That was a “gimmee” to coin the golf phrase, it shouldn’t have been missed. He was running to his left when he threw the ball, wasn't like he was standing in the pocket. Throws that aren't 100% when making your 4th start in the NFL as a QB. gosaints1 likes this.

12-14-2020, 10:07 AM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by gosaints1 While that is true, no doubt about it, a very good argument could be made that CJGJ’s inability to put two hand’s together with a ball in the middle cost us “big time” also. Only an on the field heart attack would have stopped him from scoring. We could also say that a wide open Sanders trying to stretch for an TH#7 overthrown ball cost us “big time”. The win was there to be had my friend, the team just didn’t take it. All three portions of it. I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was: Eagles punt. Saints TD. Eagles punt. Saints TD CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART. gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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12-14-2020, 11:53 AM	#8
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was: Eagles punt. Saints TD. Eagles punt. Saints TD CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART. The ball was in his hands though, he was a receiver at that point, and he missed his chance. I’m not blaming him specifically, nor anyone individually, but if you want to hyper-focus on the 4th and 2 fumble play, it was a horrible play call. Stringing out that play to the short side of field? Nah, it failed before it began. The offense did fail, so did the defense, on multiple 4th down conversions, an 82 yard TD run, and TWO individual 100 yard rushers. No doubt about it that the offense failed when it needed to. No doubt about it that the defense failed to stop the run. No doubt about it that the kicking game was off. Only a biased person blames one specific side. I just can’t view things that way. wrt this game specifically, there is more than enough “blame” to go around. To all three portions of the Saints team.
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12-14-2020, 11:57 AM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not blaming CJG for making a stop and forcing a punt only for Taysom Hill to drive down the field and fumble on 4th and 2. It’s not the defenses responsibility to put points on the board, that’s just a plus if they do. Up to that point it was: Eagles punt. Saints TD. Eagles punt. Saints TD CJG gets a big stop on 3rd and 5 regardless if it was intercepted or not and forces a third straight punt. The offense failed to produce when it mattered the most. Even a field goal in that situation changes the game. But nah, fumble. Not to mention...this is a mobile QB. MAKE TIME. ROLL OUT. SCRAMBLE. FORCE THE DEFENSE INTO ZONE COVERAGE AND THEN PICK IT APART. Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly. SmashMouth likes this.

12-14-2020, 12:41 PM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Wtf is up with Lutz??? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly. I think Hill played a decent game, but turnovers and missed field goals were what stood out to me. I’m not concerned with a team giving up 24 points in a league catered to offense. We need to score. Period. When it’s all said and done the Chiefs are going to score. The Packers are going to score. The elite teams are going to score. Can you get stops at pivotal moments? The Saints defense did that. Offense has to answer the bell. SmashMouth and K Major like this.