Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings

dizzle88 · 12-26-2020, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

I agree with you to a degree, Brees is not up to speed completely and that has been evident but to say take the ball out Bree’s hands or he is going to kill us I think is a bit of an over statement.

He did make 4 throws that could have been or were interceptions. As much as I am not an Aikman fan he called out Cook on that 1st interception and showed on replay that Cook ran a poor route on the out pattern, he faded off the sideline cut allowing the defender to get under the route for the interception.

On the Sanders interception that was a ball Sanders coulda shoulda woulda normally caught but his backhand slapped the ball up in the air and a defender, not his defender was in the right place right time. Benefit of the doubt 50/50. Not bad throw by Brees.

The other 2 throws you mentioned yep bad throws, but you failed to mention Brees threw for 316 yards yesterday 19 of 27.

I want to win just as you all the rest of B&G’s do I just don’t think we stand a chance in the playoff run with either Taysom or Winston bottom line. One I think can’t read the defenses Pre snap well enough to audible and adjust and the other has no real time with the one’s.

Coach keeps saying the next Saints QB is in the house we will see in 2021. If that’s true I don’t think the next Saint QB has started a regular season game for the Saints yet. We might see a 2 QB system similar to what we have seen this year.

Completely agree, I find myself holding my breath when I see a pass intended for Cook, its either a big play or a disaster.

Granted it wasn't an outright great day from Brees, but there were once again a bunch of plays where he had diagnosed the defense pre-snap and exploited it, something that Taysom is unable to do.

There's one player I have utmost trust in when the ball is headed his way and I'd never even heard of the guy at the start of the year - Marquez Callaway.
He's everything Trequan should have been, big bodied receiver, catches with his hands and not his body, can block in the running game and does it well. Just a complete player and looking like an absolute steal.

AsylumGuido · 12-26-2020, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

I agree with you to a degree, Brees is not up to speed completely and that has been evident but to say take the ball out Bree’s hands or he is going to kill us I think is a bit of an over statement.

He did make 4 throws that could have been or were interceptions. As much as I am not an Aikman fan he called out Cook on that 1st interception and showed on replay that Cook ran a poor route on the out pattern, he faded off the sideline cut allowing the defender to get under the route for the interception.

On the Sanders interception that was a ball Sanders coulda shoulda woulda normally caught but his backhand slapped the ball up in the air and a defender, not his defender was in the right place right time. Benefit of the doubt 50/50. Not bad throw by Brees.

The other 2 throws you mentioned yep bad throws, but you failed to mention Brees threw for 316 yards yesterday 19 of 27.

I want to win just as you all the rest of B&G’s do I just don’t think we stand a chance in the playoff run with either Taysom or Winston bottom line. One I think can’t read the defenses Pre snap well enough to audible and adjust and the other has no real time with the one’s.

Coach keeps saying the next Saints QB is in the house we will see in 2021. If that’s true I don’t think the next Saint QB has started a regular season game for the Saints yet. We might see a 2 QB system similar to what we have seen this year.

Agree with this, as well. And on top of the Sanders created pick, Brees threw that ball where only Sanders should have had a chance at it. On the other two could'a been it appeared that Brees didn't get his feet set. What power he has comes from his base, not his arm.

I also believe we could not have put up those rushing numbers without Brees. I think the players would all agree. Those pre-snap reads are crucial and can be impossible to stop with proper execution (ie. correct routes, blocking assignments, catching the ball, etc.).

rezburna · 12-26-2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

I agree with you to a degree, Brees is not up to speed completely and that has been evident but to say take the ball out Bree’s hands or he is going to kill us I think is a bit of an over statement.

He did make 4 throws that could have been or were interceptions. As much as I am not an Aikman fan he called out Cook on that 1st interception and showed on replay that Cook ran a poor route on the out pattern, he faded off the sideline cut allowing the defender to get under the route for the interception.

On the Sanders interception that was a ball Sanders coulda shoulda woulda normally caught but his backhand slapped the ball up in the air and a defender, not his defender was in the right place right time. Benefit of the doubt 50/50. Not bad throw by Brees.

The other 2 throws you mentioned yep bad throws, but you failed to mention Brees threw for 316 yards yesterday 19 of 27.

I want to win just as you all the rest of B&G’s do I just don’t think we stand a chance in the playoff run with either Taysom or Winston bottom line. One I think can’t read the defenses Pre snap well enough to audible and adjust and the other has no real time with the one’s.

Coach keeps saying the next Saints QB is in the house we will see in 2021. If that’s true I don’t think the next Saint QB has started a regular season game for the Saints yet. We might see a 2 QB system similar to what we have seen this year.

I’d say if Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill played the exact same game the exact same way the guillotines would be out. The throw to Sanders was a miss by Brees. He led it out too far, but if we’re going with the old adage of you touch it, you catch it then cool. Stalemate.

Cook was smart to fade out on the other pick whether he meant to or not because Harrison Smith was sitting underneath and could have easily made that play. The proper decision is to not make that throw at all. We’re in field goal range. He wants to check down any other time.

They gave Kamara the ball 20 times on the ground for the first time in his entire career and he delivered. I can’t be the only person holding their breath every time Brees passes the ball these days. He’s still smart. That’s great, but the days of him carrying this team are dead.

bobdog86 · 12-26-2020, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d say if Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill played the exact same game the exact same way the guillotines would be out. The throw to Sanders was a miss by Brees. He led it out too far, but if we’re going with the old adage of you touch it, you catch it then cool. Stalemate.

Cook was smart to fade out on the other pick whether he meant to or not because Harrison Smith was sitting underneath and could have easily made that play. The proper decision is to not make that throw at all. We’re in field goal range. He wants to check down any other time.

They gave Kamara the ball 20 times on the ground for the first time in his entire career and he delivered. I can’t be the only person holding their breath every time Brees passes the ball these days. He’s still smart. That’s great, but the days of him carrying this team are dead.

I agree with most of this, did look to me Drew missed on the cook and Sanders. Yes, Taysom and Winston would have been skewered for those throws, but IMO thought Drew made some throws that were more reminiscent of his skill, like the one to Sanders down the middle, not sure if it was just a seem route or crappy post, but it was thrown to where only our guy could make the play. And yes, I find myself having breathing issues often times when Brees drops back, but not to the point of requiring supplemental oxygen. My concern is and always been the commitment to the run, which we do very well when we do it. Kamara was on the field for 64% of the offensive plays. Process that for a minute. To me, I’m Good with that, as long as Murray is being utilized as he should be.

rezburna · 12-26-2020, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

I agree with most of this, did look to me Drew missed on the cook and Sanders. Yes, Taysom and Winston would have been skewered for those throws, but IMO thought Drew made some throws that were more reminiscent of his skill, like the one to Sanders down the middle, not sure if it was just a seem route or crappy post, but it was thrown to where only our guy could make the play. And yes, I find myself having breathing issues often times when Brees drops back, but not to the point of requiring supplemental oxygen. My concern is and always been the commitment to the run, which we do very well when we do it. Kamara was on the field for 64% of the offensive plays. Process that for a minute. To me, I’m Good with that, as long as Murray is being utilized as he should be.

I wouldn’t hold him to such a high standard if he has never set the bar there. When he makes those tremendous throws I just nod. That’s what’s he’s supposed to do. He’s Drew Brees. 1st Ballot HOF’er.

neugey · 12-26-2020, 09:52 AM

It was really cool to see a big NFL record set/matched by a Saint that didn't involve Brees (he has plenty). We'll probably all remember this Christmas game for the rest of our lives. Very cool.

K Major · 12-26-2020, 10:52 AM

I'm a huge fan of Marquez Callaway. Undrafted but he's already ahead of the curve in development.

Runs north and south on punt returns, can high point the ball away from his body and has good hands. More importantly he's creating separation at WR.

His future is bright at WR.

Rugby Saint II · 12-26-2020, 01:23 PM

Drew is 41. You just aren't as athletic as your younger self. He's the best we've got and he's still a top 5 QB. When Brees is gone we will realize just how blessed we have been. We expect perfection from Drew because he's always been exceptional. Yes, he's not as good as he once was but he's still a stud. Post Brees is going to leave a gaping hole that won't easily be filled.

People have been calling for him to retire for a few years now and he still delivers. Personally, I hope he comes back next year.

The Dude · 12-26-2020, 01:55 PM

Just an observation...Callaway is going to be a stud. Rookies rarely have the smarts/ability early on to break up a would be interception. He’s showing he brings a lot to the table.

RailBoss · 12-26-2020, 01:56 PM

All of us loathe the Vikings except our Coach, seems he's buddies with Coach Zimmer.
But actually a few good things came to us from Minnesota
Teddy Bridgewater Nick Easton Latavius Murray and Zach Line

12-26-2020, 10:47 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,694	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat I agree with you to a degree, Brees is not up to speed completely and that has been evident but to say take the ball out Bree’s hands or he is going to kill us I think is a bit of an over statement. He did make 4 throws that could have been or were interceptions. As much as I am not an Aikman fan he called out Cook on that 1st interception and showed on replay that Cook ran a poor route on the out pattern, he faded off the sideline cut allowing the defender to get under the route for the interception. On the Sanders interception that was a ball Sanders coulda shoulda woulda normally caught but his backhand slapped the ball up in the air and a defender, not his defender was in the right place right time. Benefit of the doubt 50/50. Not bad throw by Brees. The other 2 throws you mentioned yep bad throws, but you failed to mention Brees threw for 316 yards yesterday 19 of 27. I want to win just as you all the rest of B&G’s do I just don’t think we stand a chance in the playoff run with either Taysom or Winston bottom line. One I think can’t read the defenses Pre snap well enough to audible and adjust and the other has no real time with the one’s. Coach keeps saying the next Saints QB is in the house we will see in 2021. If that’s true I don’t think the next Saint QB has started a regular season game for the Saints yet. We might see a 2 QB system similar to what we have seen this year. Completely agree, I find myself holding my breath when I see a pass intended for Cook, its either a big play or a disaster. Granted it wasn't an outright great day from Brees, but there were once again a bunch of plays where he had diagnosed the defense pre-snap and exploited it, something that Taysom is unable to do. There's one player I have utmost trust in when the ball is headed his way and I'd never even heard of the guy at the start of the year - Marquez Callaway. He's everything Trequan should have been, big bodied receiver, catches with his hands and not his body, can block in the running game and does it well. Just a complete player and looking like an absolute steal. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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12-26-2020, 11:10 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat I agree with you to a degree, Brees is not up to speed completely and that has been evident but to say take the ball out Bree’s hands or he is going to kill us I think is a bit of an over statement. He did make 4 throws that could have been or were interceptions. As much as I am not an Aikman fan he called out Cook on that 1st interception and showed on replay that Cook ran a poor route on the out pattern, he faded off the sideline cut allowing the defender to get under the route for the interception. On the Sanders interception that was a ball Sanders coulda shoulda woulda normally caught but his backhand slapped the ball up in the air and a defender, not his defender was in the right place right time. Benefit of the doubt 50/50. Not bad throw by Brees. The other 2 throws you mentioned yep bad throws, but you failed to mention Brees threw for 316 yards yesterday 19 of 27. I want to win just as you all the rest of B&G’s do I just don’t think we stand a chance in the playoff run with either Taysom or Winston bottom line. One I think can’t read the defenses Pre snap well enough to audible and adjust and the other has no real time with the one’s. Coach keeps saying the next Saints QB is in the house we will see in 2021. If that’s true I don’t think the next Saint QB has started a regular season game for the Saints yet. We might see a 2 QB system similar to what we have seen this year. Agree with this, as well. And on top of the Sanders created pick, Brees threw that ball where only Sanders should have had a chance at it. On the other two could'a been it appeared that Brees didn't get his feet set. What power he has comes from his base, not his arm. I also believe we could not have put up those rushing numbers without Brees. I think the players would all agree. Those pre-snap reads are crucial and can be impossible to stop with proper execution (ie. correct routes, blocking assignments, catching the ball, etc.).
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12-26-2020, 11:54 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,238	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat I agree with you to a degree, Brees is not up to speed completely and that has been evident but to say take the ball out Bree’s hands or he is going to kill us I think is a bit of an over statement. He did make 4 throws that could have been or were interceptions. As much as I am not an Aikman fan he called out Cook on that 1st interception and showed on replay that Cook ran a poor route on the out pattern, he faded off the sideline cut allowing the defender to get under the route for the interception. On the Sanders interception that was a ball Sanders coulda shoulda woulda normally caught but his backhand slapped the ball up in the air and a defender, not his defender was in the right place right time. Benefit of the doubt 50/50. Not bad throw by Brees. The other 2 throws you mentioned yep bad throws, but you failed to mention Brees threw for 316 yards yesterday 19 of 27. I want to win just as you all the rest of B&G’s do I just don’t think we stand a chance in the playoff run with either Taysom or Winston bottom line. One I think can’t read the defenses Pre snap well enough to audible and adjust and the other has no real time with the one’s. Coach keeps saying the next Saints QB is in the house we will see in 2021. If that’s true I don’t think the next Saint QB has started a regular season game for the Saints yet. We might see a 2 QB system similar to what we have seen this year. I’d say if Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill played the exact same game the exact same way the guillotines would be out. The throw to Sanders was a miss by Brees. He led it out too far, but if we’re going with the old adage of you touch it, you catch it then cool. Stalemate. Cook was smart to fade out on the other pick whether he meant to or not because Harrison Smith was sitting underneath and could have easily made that play. The proper decision is to not make that throw at all. We’re in field goal range. He wants to check down any other time. They gave Kamara the ball 20 times on the ground for the first time in his entire career and he delivered. I can’t be the only person holding their breath every time Brees passes the ball these days. He’s still smart. That’s great, but the days of him carrying this team are dead. gosaints1 and Boston Saint like this.
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12-26-2020, 12:27 PM	#4
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings Originally Posted by rezburna I’d say if Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill played the exact same game the exact same way the guillotines would be out. The throw to Sanders was a miss by Brees. He led it out too far, but if we’re going with the old adage of you touch it, you catch it then cool. Stalemate. Cook was smart to fade out on the other pick whether he meant to or not because Harrison Smith was sitting underneath and could have easily made that play. The proper decision is to not make that throw at all. We’re in field goal range. He wants to check down any other time. They gave Kamara the ball 20 times on the ground for the first time in his entire career and he delivered. I can’t be the only person holding their breath every time Brees passes the ball these days. He’s still smart. That’s great, but the days of him carrying this team are dead. I agree with most of this, did look to me Drew missed on the cook and Sanders. Yes, Taysom and Winston would have been skewered for those throws, but IMO thought Drew made some throws that were more reminiscent of his skill, like the one to Sanders down the middle, not sure if it was just a seem route or crappy post, but it was thrown to where only our guy could make the play. And yes, I find myself having breathing issues often times when Brees drops back, but not to the point of requiring supplemental oxygen. My concern is and always been the commitment to the run, which we do very well when we do it. Kamara was on the field for 64% of the offensive plays. Process that for a minute. To me, I’m Good with that, as long as Murray is being utilized as he should be. jnormand and leilung like this.

12-26-2020, 02:54 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,238	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings Originally Posted by bobdog86 I agree with most of this, did look to me Drew missed on the cook and Sanders. Yes, Taysom and Winston would have been skewered for those throws, but IMO thought Drew made some throws that were more reminiscent of his skill, like the one to Sanders down the middle, not sure if it was just a seem route or crappy post, but it was thrown to where only our guy could make the play. And yes, I find myself having breathing issues often times when Brees drops back, but not to the point of requiring supplemental oxygen. My concern is and always been the commitment to the run, which we do very well when we do it. Kamara was on the field for 64% of the offensive plays. Process that for a minute. To me, I’m Good with that, as long as Murray is being utilized as he should be. I wouldn’t hold him to such a high standard if he has never set the bar there. When he makes those tremendous throws I just nod. That’s what’s he’s supposed to do. He’s Drew Brees. 1st Ballot HOF’er. Rugby Saint II, bobdog86, gosaints1 and 2 others like this.

12-26-2020, 09:52 AM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,885 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings It was really cool to see a big NFL record set/matched by a Saint that didn't involve Brees (he has plenty). We'll probably all remember this Christmas game for the rest of our lives. Very cool. RailBoss likes this.

12-26-2020, 10:52 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,919 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings I'm a huge fan of Marquez Callaway. Undrafted but he's already ahead of the curve in development. Runs north and south on punt returns, can high point the ball away from his body and has good hands. More importantly he's creating separation at WR. His future is bright at WR. jnormand, RailBoss, leilung and 3 others like this.

12-26-2020, 01:23 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,250	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings Drew is 41. You just aren't as athletic as your younger self. He's the best we've got and he's still a top 5 QB. When Brees is gone we will realize just how blessed we have been. We expect perfection from Drew because he's always been exceptional. Yes, he's not as good as he once was but he's still a stud. Post Brees is going to leave a gaping hole that won't easily be filled. People have been calling for him to retire for a few years now and he still delivers. Personally, I hope he comes back next year. jnormand and Budsdrinker like this.
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12-26-2020, 01:55 PM	#9
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12-26-2020, 01:56 PM	#10
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from a dominant Saints win vs Vikings All of us loathe the Vikings except our Coach, seems he's buddies with Coach Zimmer. But actually a few good things came to us from Minnesota Teddy Bridgewater Nick Easton Latavius Murray and Zach Line jnormand, leilung and Boston Saint like this.