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Old 09-25-2017, 11:28 PM   #111
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That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific.
It's Syrian. Not African but I'm sure people living in Africa had their own instruments. That example is the oldest noted example of music ever found. These people had real notes and a system for recording music on tablets and the music is very sophisticated from what they translated, not just some beating on drums stuff. I know the Chinese invented gunpowder and the compass but as far as the African continent, not much was developed there for some reason for a very long time.
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I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate.
I fully understand and have respect for the fact that you and I see the world through different lenses. What I do not understand, in all honesty, is what happened to you to make you not want us to see eye to eye - it is a very black panther-like position to take. It isn't unfamililar. If that isn't what you want, then could you explain to me what, exactly, it is that you do want? Of course you owe me nothing, but in the interest of a good faith discussion I'm not sure how it can happen unless you elaborate.

I'm not looking to understand your position. I already know your position. I'm well versed. You sound very much like many black people I know out here, and you are equally vague as to why. So, I'm trying to understand WHY it is you have that position. I'm hoping you might elaborate in a way that your fellow black men either will not or can not.

That's pretty much it. The ball is in your court. I welcome a PM and honest dialogue or an open discussion right here. You know how. I won't be holding my breath, but that isn't to say I won't be hopeful to hear from you. I'm totally interested.

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Old 09-26-2017, 10:08 AM   #114
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It's Syrian. Not African but I'm sure people living in Africa had their own instruments. That example is the oldest noted example of music ever found. These people had real notes and a system for recording music on tablets and the music is very sophisticated from what they translated, not just some beating on drums stuff. I know the Chinese invented gunpowder and the compass but as far as the African continent, not much was developed there for some reason for a very long time.

The notion that there wasn't much developed on the Afrikan continent is sickeningly far from the truth:

Architecture and Engineering

The African empire of Egypt developed a vast array of diverse structures and great architectural monuments along the Nile, among the largest and most famous of which are the Great Pyramid of Giza and the Great Sphinx of Giza. Later, in the 12th century there were hundreds of great cities in Zimbabwe and Mozambique made of massive stone complexes and huge castlelike compounds. In the 13th century, the empire of Mali boasted impressive cities, including Timbuktu, with grand palaces, mosques and universities.

Speech

Using estimates supported by genetic, archaeological, palaeontological and other evidence suggests that language probably emerged somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa during the Middle Stone Age, hence the first words by humans were spoken by Africans.

Mathematics

The invention of mathematics is placed firmly in African prehistory. The oldest known possibly mathematical object is the Lebombo bone, which was discovered in the Lebombo Mountains of Swaziland and dated to approximately 35,000 B.C. Many of the math concepts that are learned in school today were also developed in Africa. Over 35,000 years ago, Ancient Egyptians scripted textbooks about math that included division and multiplication of fractions and geometric formulas to calculate the area and volume of shapes.

Medicine

Many treatments used today in modern medicine were first employed in Africa centuries ago. The earliest known surgery was performed in Egypt around 2750 B.C. Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal, brain surgery, skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean sections, anesthesia and tissue cauterization.

Mining of Minerals

The oldest known mine on archaeological record is the “Lion Cave” in Swaziland, which radiocarbon dating shows to be about 43,000 years old. The ancient Egyptians mined a mineral called malachite. While the gold minds of Nubia were among the largest and most extensive in the world.

Metallurgy and Tools

Many advances in metallurgy and tool-making were made across the entirety of ancient Africa. These include steam engines, metal chisels and saws, copper and iron tools and weapons, nails, glue, carbon steel and bronze weapons and art. In places like Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda, the advances in metallurgy and tool-making surpassed those in Europe.

Navigation

Evidence suggests that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before the Europeans, debunking the propaganda that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. Many ancient societies in Africa built different types of boats, from small vessels to large ships that could carry up to 80 tons.

Law and Religion

Evidence shows that the ancient Ethiopians were the first to honor their gods, offer sacrifices and organize other religious customs for people to honor the divine as well as the first country to have established law.


Astronomy

Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood. The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations. They knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way and the orbit of the Sirius star system.

Art

The oldest art objects in the world — a series of tiny, drilled snail shells about 75,000 years old — were discovered in a South African cave.


Just because people of the continent did use what they developed to conquer the known world and write history from their perspective doesn't mean they were sitting on their thumbs for thousands of years.
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Old 09-26-2017, 04:06 PM   #115
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I know there are strong feelings but fans going to take a whizz or get a beer are equally disrespectful as players taking a knee. It's either everyone or it isn't.
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:42 PM   #117
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Except that no one is really arguing that they can or can't express themselves. The problem is if you take a controversial stand on something that offends people, while at work no less, there may (and ALMOST ALWAYS IS for non-celebrities) be blow back from your employer and/or the people you offended.

The left does this all day long, trying to attack and destroy anyone with views that contradict their own. How many high-profile people have you seen lose their job over something they said or did that offended liberals or gays?

But because this issue has to do with minorities, specifically blacks, we're supposed to pretend that those rules don't apply here. Leftists and the media will get in line to support this idea, but no one who is honest with themselves is buying it.
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Old 09-26-2017, 06:11 PM   #118
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The notion that there wasn't much developed on the Afrikan continent is sickeningly far from the truth:

Architecture and Engineering

The African empire of Egypt developed a vast array of diverse structures and great architectural monuments along the Nile, among the largest and most famous of which are the Great Pyramid of Giza and the Great Sphinx of Giza. Later, in the 12th century there were hundreds of great cities in Zimbabwe and Mozambique made of massive stone complexes and huge castlelike compounds. In the 13th century, the empire of Mali boasted impressive cities, including Timbuktu, with grand palaces, mosques and universities.

Speech

Using estimates supported by genetic, archaeological, palaeontological and other evidence suggests that language probably emerged somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa during the Middle Stone Age, hence the first words by humans were spoken by Africans.

Mathematics

The invention of mathematics is placed firmly in African prehistory. The oldest known possibly mathematical object is the Lebombo bone, which was discovered in the Lebombo Mountains of Swaziland and dated to approximately 35,000 B.C. Many of the math concepts that are learned in school today were also developed in Africa. Over 35,000 years ago, Ancient Egyptians scripted textbooks about math that included division and multiplication of fractions and geometric formulas to calculate the area and volume of shapes.

Medicine

Many treatments used today in modern medicine were first employed in Africa centuries ago. The earliest known surgery was performed in Egypt around 2750 B.C. Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal, brain surgery, skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean sections, anesthesia and tissue cauterization.

Mining of Minerals

The oldest known mine on archaeological record is the “Lion Cave” in Swaziland, which radiocarbon dating shows to be about 43,000 years old. The ancient Egyptians mined a mineral called malachite. While the gold minds of Nubia were among the largest and most extensive in the world.

Metallurgy and Tools

Many advances in metallurgy and tool-making were made across the entirety of ancient Africa. These include steam engines, metal chisels and saws, copper and iron tools and weapons, nails, glue, carbon steel and bronze weapons and art. In places like Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda, the advances in metallurgy and tool-making surpassed those in Europe.

Navigation

Evidence suggests that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before the Europeans, debunking the propaganda that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. Many ancient societies in Africa built different types of boats, from small vessels to large ships that could carry up to 80 tons.

Law and Religion

Evidence shows that the ancient Ethiopians were the first to honor their gods, offer sacrifices and organize other religious customs for people to honor the divine as well as the first country to have established law.


Astronomy

Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood. The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations. They knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way and the orbit of the Sirius star system.

Art

The oldest art objects in the world — a series of tiny, drilled snail shells about 75,000 years old — were discovered in a South African cave.


Just because people of the continent did use what they developed to conquer the known world and write history from their perspective doesn't mean they were sitting on their thumbs for thousands of years.
That's fine if that is what you believe. So Egyptians and Syrians were black? Ok. Part of being a successful culture is conquering other cultures. It's the main ingredient. Over run other cultures and take their stuff using inventive tactics and tools. Still going on today. Losers get nothing out of it but a hard time. It would be nice if that was not reality but it's how all this came about. A long long series of conquering and killing other cultures.
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That's fine if that is what you believe. So Egyptians and Syrians were black? Ok. Part of being a successful culture is conquering other cultures. It's the main ingredient. Over run other cultures and take their stuff using inventive tactics and tools. Still going on today. Losers get nothing out of it but a hard time. It would be nice if that was not reality but it's how all this came about. A long long series of conquering and killing other cultures.
Not only were they conquerors, they were *gasp* slave owners! For hundreds, if not thousands of years. Most of their society was built on the backs of slaves. I'm afraid I must demand, in the sovereign name of equality, that we immediately begin protesting against Egypt. All reference to their glory days in ancient times should be removed like yesterday.

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To circle back, I've stood by and will stand by what I started the season doing - watching absolutely no NFL but the Saints. The NFL has gotten out of hand with it's ridiculous pricing, it's commercials, it's appetite for skewed legal vendettas and it's immense desire to put profits ahead of fans and tradition. The national anthem has just added to that list.
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