The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Well, you and I see this one a little different. We're 95% on the same page, but I just think that if you are refusing to acknowledge the flag, in whatever way you go about doing that, it doesn't matter if I see you are not.

When it isn't game day, and you're doing whatever on your own time and dollar, then go for it. I might still call their protesting dumb, but I won't argue their right to do it.

95% is a great place to be. I've always said if people would just STOP IT and be reasonable we'd all come to realize that most of us are pretty much in the same place.

Beastmode · 09-25-2017, 07:14 PM

The NFL gets some coin from the DOD for military events. It's not that much, maybe 10 plus million but those contracts will not be renewed. They NFL is also losing fans which is something they absolutely can't afford right now. The people that like the kneeling are, for the most part, not NFL fans. They want the sport abolished for the brain damage.

Trump made a wise decision. The NFL is going to fail no matter what they do. All Trump has to say is see, I told you. It really has nothing to do with the kneeling at all. All the corporate sponsors that hate him are about to pay a price. He's going after them, not the NFL IMO. He is always a couple of steps ahead of the conversation. The ratings will tank, sponsors will start hurting. In the end Trump will be correct. He does this over and over. Nobody really gets it.

CheramieIII · 09-25-2017, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What is hip-hop culture?

I think it's like Hop Scotch

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don't care anything at all about stereotypes.

Ohhh yes you do Sir - from what I can tell your entire ethos is built around stereotypes and a single-sided analysis of history.

Still waiting on you to post your reading list, but I know you won't because it is the death nail to your belief system and you know I and others will call you on it.

Oh, and hip-hop 'culture' is nothing more than a rip off of what preceded it - check the beats from the 50s if you are so inclined. No thanks required.

Have a fantastic day...

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Ohhh yes you do Sir - from what I can tell your entire ethos is built around stereotypes and a single-sided analysis of history.

Still waiting on you to post your reading list, but I know you won't because it is the death nail to your belief system and you know I and others will call you on it.

Oh, and hip-hop 'culture' is nothing more than a rip off of what preceded it.

Have a fantastic day...

1. I answered that question about my reading list that same day you requested it. Go back to that thread and find it.

2. I don't think you want to have a discussion about ripping off culture. ��

3. And no, stereotypes don't bother me. I have no interest in trying to change the collective viewpoint of White people on Black people. You and certain members of the message board "calling me on my beliefs" doesn't worry me in the least bit. Don't flatter yourself. Lmao!

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

1. I answered that question about my reading list that same day you requested it. Go back to that thread and find it.

2. I don't think you want to have a discussion about ripping off culture. ��

3. And no, stereotypes don't bother me. I have no interest in trying to change the collective viewpoint of White people on Black people. You and certain members of the message board "calling me on my beliefs" doesn't worry me in the least bit. Don't flatter yourself. Lmao!

1. Hmmm. I missed it. I'll go check it out. Which thread was that again? Any white authors outside any required reading? Bet not, but I could be wrong...let me go look for it, and since you did post it (assuming I can find it) then I apologize for asking twice.

2. Sure, I'll have that discussion. What you (and so many other black people) revere as 'culture' is theft. Nothing unique about it. Nothing. Not that I don't like some 'hip hop', but theft and art don't intersect.

3. What is the collective "White" viewpoint on black people? I'm white. You'd think I'd know. But maybe not. Elaborate. See, I'm not stereotyping you. I'm not racist a'tall. It is you Sir who stereotype.

And for sure I'm aware that my opinion makes precisely zero difference to you. Therein lies the problem you can not (likely will not) see. When you get older you will soften and then you will understand. Lets agree to meet back here in 20 years to discuss. Wanna do that? Happy to swap emails and, assuming we live long enough I think that would be fun. Not kidding.

Danno · 09-25-2017, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

We have a problem in this country with following rules

Following rules like obeying the law?

I think the main problem with today's minorities is precisely that. They don't follow rules.

When 70% of minority children are raised by baby mommas, they don't get a solid dose of Dads demanding they follow rules. If I didn't follow the rules my Dad would smack me upside the head.

Way too many people nowadays don't have a Dad to teach that. Thats why you have a nation of hood-Rats who don't have a clue how they should act and they behave like children when a Cop intervenes because they broke rules (laws).

The destruction of the family unit (Liberalism's fault) is the primary reason so many people are defiant when it comes to obeying rules and personal responsibility. They are simply ignorant of both.

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Oh I'd love that discussion. You wanna start? I'm listening...

Gospel, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, and R&B all have their origins within Afrikan-American culture...hell...even disco. Hip-Hop is influenced by all those things. All these art forms built on each other over time.

As far as White artists, they not only "borrowed" the sounds, but actually took entire songs word for word for decades. Elvis immediately comes to mind. They wouldn't even play the Black artists on the radio for the longest. The cultural appropriation in just music alone runs rampant. We don't even need to get into fashion, vernacular, and customs. It goes far beyond appropriating Black culture at this point. Every other culture voices similar complaints.

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Gospel, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, and R&B all have their origins within Afrikan-American culture...hell...even disco. Hip-Hop is influenced by all those things. White artists not only "borrowed" the sound, but actually took entire songs word for word for decades. The cultural appropriation in just music alone runs rampant. We don't even need to get into fashion, vernacular, and customs. It goes far beyond appropriating Black culture at this point.

LOL. What a tired mess of an opinion. Aren't you the one who barks about white people expecting nothing but to be 'entertained' by black artists? But I'll entertain.

Jazz comes from all over the world and is rooted in many cultures, but it is uniquely American. Black people don't own that copywrite I'm sorry to inform you. Blues is uniquely American. It came from cotton fields, not Africa. Black yes. African no.

You probably think the Beatles 'stole' from Muddy Waters and Little Richard? I bet you do. But see, the Beatles actually invented something - they did this by restoring something that dates back to classical music which is entirely 'white', right? They restored the western chord progression. Mostly it was Paul McCartney, but he's white so...

And it is the Beatles who opened up everything that came after, including Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, R&B, Metal...any genre. If you'll take the hour or so to watch, I'll send you a link. If it happened in music after 1964 pay homage to the Beatles. Even Prince whom I dearly loved. Even the Fat Boys for heaven's sake. All of them. Period. If nothing else it was in the engineering of the music. You might ask Brian Wilson, but you won't, cause he's white, right? Check out a book called "The Record Men". It'll make you feel good about your position, but it'll help you understand mine too...then again I'm white, so you may not care...

Any finally, there's a extremely large chasm between enhancing a thing and stealing it. That's where your argument falls to pieces.

burningmetal · 09-25-2017, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Gospel, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, and R&B all have their origins within Afrikan-American culture...hell...even disco. Hip-Hop is influenced by all those things. All these art forms built on each other over time.

As far as White artists, they not only "borrowed" the sounds, but actually took entire songs word for word for decades. Elvis immediately comes to mind. They wouldn't even play the Black artists on the radio for the longest. The cultural appropriation in just music alone runs rampant. We don't even need to get into fashion, vernacular, and customs. It goes far beyond appropriating Black culture at this point. Every other culture voices similar complaints.

So basically, because blacks and whites do a lot of the same things, that means that whites are ripping you off?

Well get off your computer, you didn't invent that, a white guy did. You better find a horse to get around, because white people invented cars. Don't fly in planes or ride in a train, as they were invented by white people. Turn in your phone, it was invented by a white guy. You like electricity? Find some candles, because white people discovered it and found a way to harness it.

Don't you dare use all of the daily things that come from white people. You're ripping off white privilege.

We all share in our discoveries, inventions, music and various other resources. You named off a few types of music that may or may not have originated with black people, and yet there are countless other genres of music that come from all over the place. And so what? Who cares, anyway? You're the only one in here who gives a crap about who started what, all to support your ignorant narrative.

09-25-2017, 07:07 PM	#51
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by burningmetal Well, you and I see this one a little different. We're 95% on the same page, but I just think that if you are refusing to acknowledge the flag, in whatever way you go about doing that, it doesn't matter if I see you are not. When it isn't game day, and you're doing whatever on your own time and dollar, then go for it. I might still call their protesting dumb, but I won't argue their right to do it. 95% is a great place to be. I've always said if people would just STOP IT and be reasonable we'd all come to realize that most of us are pretty much in the same place. burningmetal likes this.

09-25-2017, 07:14 PM	#52
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer The NFL gets some coin from the DOD for military events. It's not that much, maybe 10 plus million but those contracts will not be renewed. They NFL is also losing fans which is something they absolutely can't afford right now. The people that like the kneeling are, for the most part, not NFL fans. They want the sport abolished for the brain damage. Trump made a wise decision. The NFL is going to fail no matter what they do. All Trump has to say is see, I told you. It really has nothing to do with the kneeling at all. All the corporate sponsors that hate him are about to pay a price. He's going after them, not the NFL IMO. He is always a couple of steps ahead of the conversation. The ratings will tank, sponsors will start hurting. In the end Trump will be correct. He does this over and over. Nobody really gets it. jeanpierre likes this.
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09-25-2017, 07:19 PM	#53
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by Danno What is hip-hop culture? I think it's like Hop Scotch

09-25-2017, 07:24 PM	#54
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna I don't care anything at all about stereotypes. Ohhh yes you do Sir - from what I can tell your entire ethos is built around stereotypes and a single-sided analysis of history. Still waiting on you to post your reading list, but I know you won't because it is the death nail to your belief system and you know I and others will call you on it. Oh, and hip-hop 'culture' is nothing more than a rip off of what preceded it - check the beats from the 50s if you are so inclined. No thanks required. Have a fantastic day...

09-25-2017, 07:37 PM	#55
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan Ohhh yes you do Sir - from what I can tell your entire ethos is built around stereotypes and a single-sided analysis of history. Still waiting on you to post your reading list, but I know you won't because it is the death nail to your belief system and you know I and others will call you on it. Oh, and hip-hop 'culture' is nothing more than a rip off of what preceded it. Have a fantastic day... 1. I answered that question about my reading list that same day you requested it. Go back to that thread and find it. 2. I don't think you want to have a discussion about ripping off culture. �� 3. And no, stereotypes don't bother me. I have no interest in trying to change the collective viewpoint of White people on Black people. You and certain members of the message board "calling me on my beliefs" doesn't worry me in the least bit. Don't flatter yourself. Lmao!

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09-25-2017, 07:40 PM	#56
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna 1. I answered that question about my reading list that same day you requested it. Go back to that thread and find it. 2. I don't think you want to have a discussion about ripping off culture. �� 3. And no, stereotypes don't bother me. I have no interest in trying to change the collective viewpoint of White people on Black people. You and certain members of the message board "calling me on my beliefs" doesn't worry me in the least bit. Don't flatter yourself. Lmao! 1. Hmmm. I missed it. I'll go check it out. Which thread was that again? Any white authors outside any required reading? Bet not, but I could be wrong...let me go look for it, and since you did post it (assuming I can find it) then I apologize for asking twice. 2. Sure, I'll have that discussion. What you (and so many other black people) revere as 'culture' is theft. Nothing unique about it. Nothing. Not that I don't like some 'hip hop', but theft and art don't intersect. 3. What is the collective "White" viewpoint on black people? I'm white. You'd think I'd know. But maybe not. Elaborate. See, I'm not stereotyping you. I'm not racist a'tall. It is you Sir who stereotype. And for sure I'm aware that my opinion makes precisely zero difference to you. Therein lies the problem you can not (likely will not) see. When you get older you will soften and then you will understand. Lets agree to meet back here in 20 years to discuss. Wanna do that? Happy to swap emails and, assuming we live long enough I think that would be fun. Not kidding.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 09-25-2017 at 07:58 PM..

09-25-2017, 07:44 PM	#57
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,725	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by Beastmode We have a problem in this country with following rules Following rules like obeying the law? I think the main problem with today's minorities is precisely that. They don't follow rules. When 70% of minority children are raised by baby mommas, they don't get a solid dose of Dads demanding they follow rules. If I didn't follow the rules my Dad would smack me upside the head. Way too many people nowadays don't have a Dad to teach that. Thats why you have a nation of hood-Rats who don't have a clue how they should act and they behave like children when a Cop intervenes because they broke rules (laws). The destruction of the family unit (Liberalism's fault) is the primary reason so many people are defiant when it comes to obeying rules and personal responsibility. They are simply ignorant of both.

09-25-2017, 07:52 PM	#58
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan Oh I'd love that discussion. You wanna start? I'm listening... Gospel, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, and R&B all have their origins within Afrikan-American culture...hell...even disco. Hip-Hop is influenced by all those things. All these art forms built on each other over time. As far as White artists, they not only "borrowed" the sounds, but actually took entire songs word for word for decades. Elvis immediately comes to mind. They wouldn't even play the Black artists on the radio for the longest. The cultural appropriation in just music alone runs rampant. We don't even need to get into fashion, vernacular, and customs. It goes far beyond appropriating Black culture at this point. Every other culture voices similar complaints.
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael

09-25-2017, 08:15 PM	#59
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna Gospel, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, and R&B all have their origins within Afrikan-American culture...hell...even disco. Hip-Hop is influenced by all those things. White artists not only "borrowed" the sound, but actually took entire songs word for word for decades. The cultural appropriation in just music alone runs rampant. We don't even need to get into fashion, vernacular, and customs. It goes far beyond appropriating Black culture at this point. LOL. What a tired mess of an opinion. Aren't you the one who barks about white people expecting nothing but to be 'entertained' by black artists? But I'll entertain. Jazz comes from all over the world and is rooted in many cultures, but it is uniquely American. Black people don't own that copywrite I'm sorry to inform you. Blues is uniquely American. It came from cotton fields, not Africa. Black yes. African no. You probably think the Beatles 'stole' from Muddy Waters and Little Richard? I bet you do. But see, the Beatles actually invented something - they did this by restoring something that dates back to classical music which is entirely 'white', right? They restored the western chord progression. Mostly it was Paul McCartney, but he's white so... And it is the Beatles who opened up everything that came after, including Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, R&B, Metal...any genre. If you'll take the hour or so to watch, I'll send you a link. If it happened in music after 1964 pay homage to the Beatles. Even Prince whom I dearly loved. Even the Fat Boys for heaven's sake. All of them. Period. If nothing else it was in the engineering of the music. You might ask Brian Wilson, but you won't, cause he's white, right? Check out a book called "The Record Men". It'll make you feel good about your position, but it'll help you understand mine too...then again I'm white, so you may not care... Any finally, there's a extremely large chasm between enhancing a thing and stealing it. That's where your argument falls to pieces.
	C'mon Man...

09-25-2017, 08:16 PM	#60
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna Gospel, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Rock N Roll, Soul, Funk, and R&B all have their origins within Afrikan-American culture...hell...even disco. Hip-Hop is influenced by all those things. All these art forms built on each other over time. As far as White artists, they not only "borrowed" the sounds, but actually took entire songs word for word for decades. Elvis immediately comes to mind. They wouldn't even play the Black artists on the radio for the longest. The cultural appropriation in just music alone runs rampant. We don't even need to get into fashion, vernacular, and customs. It goes far beyond appropriating Black culture at this point. Every other culture voices similar complaints. So basically, because blacks and whites do a lot of the same things, that means that whites are ripping you off? Well get off your computer, you didn't invent that, a white guy did. You better find a horse to get around, because white people invented cars. Don't fly in planes or ride in a train, as they were invented by white people. Turn in your phone, it was invented by a white guy. You like electricity? Find some candles, because white people discovered it and found a way to harness it. Don't you dare use all of the daily things that come from white people. You're ripping off white privilege. We all share in our discoveries, inventions, music and various other resources. You named off a few types of music that may or may not have originated with black people, and yet there are countless other genres of music that come from all over the place. And so what? Who cares, anyway? You're the only one in here who gives a crap about who started what, all to support your ignorant narrative. saintfan likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.