The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer

burningmetal · 09-25-2017, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It's not my fault if you never took the time to research what was invented by Black people that was denied patent or simply accredited to a slave master. Google it. These things aren't hard to find. Its a widely accepted fact that slave masters took credit for the inventions of their slaves. That alone muddies the waters of who contributed what...no pun intended.

What inventions are those? If it's so well known? What were they inventing in the plantations? What resources would they have had to invent much of anything?

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

No. You see Black when it's convenient. You see American when it's convenient. The artforms were birthed slavery and Jim Crow by Black people. It originates with them. There is an influence of Afrika passed down from generation to generation, but that's neither here nor there. Afrikans...in America...aka Afrikan-Americans are the creators of these genres.

As for Charlie Pride, country music was influenced by the blues. Again...the art form birthed on plantations by slaves.

Country music, at its essence, is an Irish construct. I'm so sorry you have been misinformed.

Can you elaborate on when these things happen?

When have you observed me to see black or American when it's convenient?

I fail to see the influence of Africa. I do see the influence of black people - Americans then and now.

Blues music is American. Where is the african influence? In what aspect of the music? The chord structure. The lyrics? Or perhaps suffering isn't uniquely 'African' after all?

Jazz music is a construct of many forms of music, some black, some not, but you disagree. To you it's all rooted in black people which defies the truth.

Regardless, the chord structure isn't black. They didn't invent it. That'd be European, but I fear this very important point about the 'roots' of these genres will be completely lost on you, right?

WHODATINCA · 09-25-2017, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

They called themselves *******. Kirpatrick's mother said it herself. He won the election. He brought the divided together.

Black women, nor their son's, allow anyone to call them bit****. OK. Not the "president", not anyone.

You aren't actually saying that you think this "president" is bringing people together are you? Because if so, we are watching two entirely different spectacles.

The only people this "president" has brought together is people who are protesting him and everything he says and does.

And, this issue is not about TV ratings -- for anyone. Not the players, not the owners, not even the NFL. This is about people who are offended by the outrageous and slanderous comments of the "president".

WHODATINCA · 09-25-2017, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What inventions are those? If it's so well known? What were they inventing in the plantations? What resources would they have had to invent much of anything?

5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office

Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents

Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821.

Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters.

But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture.

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office

Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents

Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821.

Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters.

But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture.

Most white people are ignorant about black culture? Oh my.

Would you suggest then that most black people are ignorant of white culture or is this a one-way street you're peddling down?

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Country music, at its essence, is an Irish construct. I'm so sorry you have been misinformed.

Can you elaborate on when these things happen?

When have you observed me to see black or American when it's convenient?

I fail to see the influence of Africa. I do see the influence of black people - Americans then and now.

Blues music is American. Where is the african influence? In what aspect of the music? The chord structure. The lyrics? Or perhaps suffering isn't uniquely 'African' after all?

Jazz music is a construct of many forms of music, some black, some not, but you disagree. To you it's all rooted in black people which defies the truth.

Regardless, the chord structure isn't black. They didn't invent it. That'd be European, but I fear this very important point about the 'roots' of these genres will be completely lost on you, right?

Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation. Jazz has roots in West African cultural and musical expression, and in African-American music traditions including blues and ragtime, as well as European military band music. Although the foundation of jazz is deeply rooted within the black experience of the United States, different cultures have contributed their own experience and styles to the art form as well. Intellectuals around the world have hailed jazz as "one of America's original art forms".

Ferris, Jean (1993) America's Musical Landscape. Brown and Benchmark. ISBN 0697125165. pp. 228, 233

Starr, Larry, and Christopher Waterman. "Popular Jazz and Swing: America's Original Art Form." IIP Digital. Oxford University Press, 26 July 2008.

Is that enough acknowledgement of this "vast", European influence? Make note of "West Afrikan" as well.

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Most white people are ignorant about black culture? Oh my.

Would you suggest then that most black people are ignorant of white culture or is this a one-way street you're peddling down?

We're not allowed to be. We go to school and learn about White culture everyday, all day.

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office

Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents

Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821.

Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters.

But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture.

I'm sure you found that with a quick Google search but of course, we have to do the research for them.

WHODATINCA · 09-25-2017, 09:03 PM

Here is a very ugly story about an inventor who was a slave.

No. 1076: Slave Inventors

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Here is a very ugly story about an inventor who was a slave.

No. 1076: Slave Inventors

And let's make sure we cite the book so they can go read all about it.

James, P.P., Enslaved Inventors, Hidden Contributors. The Real McCoy: African-American Invention and Innovation, 1619-1930. Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989, Chapter Three.

09-25-2017, 08:53 PM	#81
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna It's not my fault if you never took the time to research what was invented by Black people that was denied patent or simply accredited to a slave master. Google it. These things aren't hard to find. Its a widely accepted fact that slave masters took credit for the inventions of their slaves. That alone muddies the waters of who contributed what...no pun intended. What inventions are those? If it's so well known? What were they inventing in the plantations? What resources would they have had to invent much of anything?

09-25-2017, 08:53 PM	#82
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna No. You see Black when it's convenient. You see American when it's convenient. The artforms were birthed slavery and Jim Crow by Black people. It originates with them. There is an influence of Afrika passed down from generation to generation, but that's neither here nor there. Afrikans...in America...aka Afrikan-Americans are the creators of these genres. As for Charlie Pride, country music was influenced by the blues. Again...the art form birthed on plantations by slaves. Country music, at its essence, is an Irish construct. I'm so sorry you have been misinformed. Can you elaborate on when these things happen? When have you observed me to see black or American when it's convenient? I fail to see the influence of Africa. I do see the influence of black people - Americans then and now. Blues music is American. Where is the african influence? In what aspect of the music? The chord structure. The lyrics? Or perhaps suffering isn't uniquely 'African' after all? Jazz music is a construct of many forms of music, some black, some not, but you disagree. To you it's all rooted in black people which defies the truth. Regardless, the chord structure isn't black. They didn't invent it. That'd be European, but I fear this very important point about the 'roots' of these genres will be completely lost on you, right?
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09-25-2017, 08:53 PM	#83
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by Beastmode They called themselves *****. Kirpatrick's mother said it herself. He won the election. He brought the divided together. Black women, nor their son's, allow anyone to call them bit**. OK. Not the "president", not anyone. You aren't actually saying that you think this "president" is bringing people together are you? Because if so, we are watching two entirely different spectacles. The only people this "president" has brought together is people who are protesting him and everything he says and does. And, this issue is not about TV ratings -- for anyone. Not the players, not the owners, not even the NFL. This is about people who are offended by the outrageous and slanderous comments of the "president".
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09-25-2017, 08:59 PM	#84
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by burningmetal What inventions are those? If it's so well known? What were they inventing in the plantations? What resources would they have had to invent much of anything? 5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821. Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters. But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture. rezburna likes this.

09-25-2017, 09:00 PM	#85
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by WHODATINCA 5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821. Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters. But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture. Most white people are ignorant about black culture? Oh my. Would you suggest then that most black people are ignorant of white culture or is this a one-way street you're peddling down?

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09-25-2017, 09:01 PM	#86
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan Country music, at its essence, is an Irish construct. I'm so sorry you have been misinformed. Can you elaborate on when these things happen? When have you observed me to see black or American when it's convenient? I fail to see the influence of Africa. I do see the influence of black people - Americans then and now. Blues music is American. Where is the african influence? In what aspect of the music? The chord structure. The lyrics? Or perhaps suffering isn't uniquely 'African' after all? Jazz music is a construct of many forms of music, some black, some not, but you disagree. To you it's all rooted in black people which defies the truth. Regardless, the chord structure isn't black. They didn't invent it. That'd be European, but I fear this very important point about the 'roots' of these genres will be completely lost on you, right? Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation. Jazz has roots in West African cultural and musical expression, and in African-American music traditions including blues and ragtime, as well as European military band music. Although the foundation of jazz is deeply rooted within the black experience of the United States, different cultures have contributed their own experience and styles to the art form as well. Intellectuals around the world have hailed jazz as "one of America's original art forms". Ferris, Jean (1993) America's Musical Landscape. Brown and Benchmark. ISBN 0697125165. pp. 228, 233 Starr, Larry, and Christopher Waterman. "Popular Jazz and Swing: America's Original Art Form." IIP Digital. Oxford University Press, 26 July 2008. Is that enough acknowledgement of this "vast", European influence? Make note of "West Afrikan" as well.
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09-25-2017, 09:02 PM	#87
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan Most white people are ignorant about black culture? Oh my. Would you suggest then that most black people are ignorant of white culture or is this a one-way street you're peddling down? We're not allowed to be. We go to school and learn about White culture everyday, all day. WHODATINCA likes this.

09-25-2017, 09:03 PM	#88
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by WHODATINCA 5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821. Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters. But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture. I'm sure you found that with a quick Google search but of course, we have to do the research for them.

09-25-2017, 09:05 PM	#90
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Here is a very ugly story about an inventor who was a slave. No. 1076: Slave Inventors And let's make sure we cite the book so they can go read all about it. James, P.P., Enslaved Inventors, Hidden Contributors. The Real McCoy: African-American Invention and Innovation, 1619-1930. Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989, Chapter Three.