It's Very Simple...Deuce

Papa Voodoo · 09-19-2007, 01:39 PM

Some of us understand that if your defense stinks you run the ball so they are on the field less as well as the opposing team's offense. That allows for a close game decided at the end of the 4th quarter.

SapperSaint · 09-19-2007, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Some of us understand that if your defense stinks you run the ball so they are on the field less as well as the opposing team's offense. That allows for a close game decided at the end of the 4th quarter.

WHAT?????

And what do you think we will win with in this magical "4th quarter Close game"? Mare? Come on Voodoo, you know better than that. You can't really believe what you are typing.

I think we started running Deuce and he fumbled. That equaled a TB TD. Next poss was a punt for us, running both he and Reggie.

Right now the whole system is broke.

Papa Voodoo · 09-19-2007, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

WHAT?????

And what do you think we will win with in this magical "4th quarter Close game"? Mare? Come on Voodoo, you know better than that. You can't really believe what you are typing.

I think we started running Deuce and he fumbled. That equaled a TB TD. Next poss was a punt for us, running both he and Reggie.

Right now the whole system is broke.

Yes, Payton did try running Deuce and he fumbled. The Reggie runs need to go to Deuce, most of them anyway. If the O is playing bad, throwing the ball isn't going to work. There's enough time to score 3 TDs in the second half by running Deuce. I would rather us be close in the 4th and have to rely on passing with a minute to go or Mare than have a 72 to 24 point diffrential in 2games. We were down 21-0 at the half and we still had time to pound Deuce in spite of his fumble(s) and get a TD and momentum. The offense needs that really bad.

Reggie needs to run sparingly and Deuce needs to run a lot...not the other way around. Reggie is a lot better catching the ball. And with his pitter-patter dancing right now he doesn't deserve the ball at all.

Deuce needs at least 20 carries a game. Henderson needs to be the 3rd or 4th WR. Patten should be at the #2 WR spot. Lance Moore should be our main #3 with Copper and Henderson rotating in. Reggie needs to cut and go..even if it's for 2 yards.

On D we need KK in for Bullocks because he's at least visible and can pick the ball. Bellamy needs to be in on short yardage plays with Harper. Usama needs to start with MM. And Simmons needs to start at MLB, not play ST's. Put Simoneau in on ST's.

Our receivers are not lined up on the depth chart right and we're not putting our hammers (Bellamy and Simmons) in on running plays.

At least the losses would make everyone less frustrated if we made good coaching moves with teh personnel.

SapperSaint · 09-19-2007, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Yes, Payton did try running Deuce and he fumbled. The Reggie runs need to go to Deuce, most of them anyway. If the O is playing bad, throwing the ball isn't going to work. There's enough time to score 3 TDs in the second half by running Deuce. I would rather us be close in the 4th and have to rely on passing with a minute to go or Mare than have a 72 to 24 point diffrential in 2games. We were down 21-0 at the half and we still had time to pound Deuce in spite of his fumble(s) and get a TD and momentum. The offense needs that really bad.

Reggie needs to run sparingly and Deuce needs to run a lot...not the other way around. Reggie is a lot better catching the ball. And with his pitter-patter dancing right now he doesn't deserve the ball at all.

Deuce needs at least 20 carries a game. Henderson needs to be the 3rd or 4th WR. Patten should be at the #2 WR spot. Lance Moore should be our main #3 with Copper and Henderson rotating in. Reggie needs to cut and go..even if it's for 2 yards.

On D we need KK in for Bullocks because he's at least visible and can pick the ball. Bellamy needs to be in on short yardage plays with Harper. Usama needs to start with MM. And Simmons needs to start at MLB, not play ST's. Put Simoneau in on ST's.

Our receivers are not lined up on the depth chart right and we're not putting our hammers (Bellamy and Simmons) in on running plays.

At least the losses would make everyone less frustrated if we made good coaching moves with teh personnel.

I gottcha brother, I'm with ya. However, I still don't trust Mare on a 10 yard game winner. Hope he proves me wrong in the long run.

spkb25 · 09-20-2007, 12:11 AM

right you can not run the ball when your down by 21. so true. so lets stop the non-sense

btw if you can run the ball you are controlling the line of scrimmage. it makes everything else easier.

darstep · 09-20-2007, 10:37 AM

We rode Duece all the way to the NFC Championship game last year...then jumped on the Drew train and the load was too heavy. The stats for the first two losses of this year mimic the stats for the NFC Champ loss to Chicago. The very next game (the SuperBowl) the Colts...the COLTS ... RAN ... for nearly 200 yards against the Bears. We have been stuck in a funk since a decision was made to try to run off of the pass - rather than passing off of the run. We can't exclusively pass or run the ball...there has to be an EFFECTIVE mix to make it all jel. Until now, there has been a heavy tilt to the passing side. When the Saints find a better balance of run and pass, with the bulk of the run load on Duece/Karney our troubles will continue.

DeadmaN · 09-20-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

right you can not run the ball when your down by 21. so true. so lets stop the non-sense

btw if you can run the ball you are controlling the line of scrimmage. it makes everything else easier.

good point but you can't pass the ball unless you suck the defensive backs in with the run so in reality you have to have a balance of both

personally I say even if you have to punt you stick with the run game over and over until you see the D backs start to play up then you start to establish the pass simply because once you show them that you are not going to abandon the run game then they have to commit to stopping it

that's one of the things the colts did to us
play after play they ran Joseph Addai and then when we started to play up it was Marvin Harrison going deep

DeadmaN · 09-20-2007, 11:08 AM

..::after giving this a 2nd thought I take that back because we can't establish the run unless we play better on the front line so at this point I'm really not sure what they are going to do::..

spkb25 · 09-20-2007, 12:32 PM

dar and deadman good points. absolutely you have to have a balance. no doubt. also deadman agree with you on sucking people in which is why i said the ability to run the ball makes everything else easier. if you are able to run the ball effectively you are controlling the line of scrimmage.

New #25 · 09-20-2007, 06:25 PM

I think you're right, we should run Deuce more. But, I don't completely agree with you saying not running Reggie, we got him 1st round, 2nd pick..now were not going to even use him? We still need to run Reggie...

09-19-2007, 01:39 PM	#31
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,628	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Some of us understand that if your defense stinks you run the ball so they are on the field less as well as the opposing team's offense. That allows for a close game decided at the end of the 4th quarter.

09-19-2007, 02:54 PM	#32
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Some of us understand that if your defense stinks you run the ball so they are on the field less as well as the opposing team's offense. That allows for a close game decided at the end of the 4th quarter. WHAT????? And what do you think we will win with in this magical "4th quarter Close game"? Mare? Come on Voodoo, you know better than that. You can't really believe what you are typing. I think we started running Deuce and he fumbled. That equaled a TB TD. Next poss was a punt for us, running both he and Reggie. Right now the whole system is broke.

09-19-2007, 03:34 PM	#33
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,628	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by SapperSaint WHAT????? And what do you think we will win with in this magical "4th quarter Close game"? Mare? Come on Voodoo, you know better than that. You can't really believe what you are typing. I think we started running Deuce and he fumbled. That equaled a TB TD. Next poss was a punt for us, running both he and Reggie. Right now the whole system is broke. Yes, Payton did try running Deuce and he fumbled. The Reggie runs need to go to Deuce, most of them anyway. If the O is playing bad, throwing the ball isn't going to work. There's enough time to score 3 TDs in the second half by running Deuce. I would rather us be close in the 4th and have to rely on passing with a minute to go or Mare than have a 72 to 24 point diffrential in 2games. We were down 21-0 at the half and we still had time to pound Deuce in spite of his fumble(s) and get a TD and momentum. The offense needs that really bad. Reggie needs to run sparingly and Deuce needs to run a lot...not the other way around. Reggie is a lot better catching the ball. And with his pitter-patter dancing right now he doesn't deserve the ball at all. Deuce needs at least 20 carries a game. Henderson needs to be the 3rd or 4th WR. Patten should be at the #2 WR spot. Lance Moore should be our main #3 with Copper and Henderson rotating in. Reggie needs to cut and go..even if it's for 2 yards. On D we need KK in for Bullocks because he's at least visible and can pick the ball. Bellamy needs to be in on short yardage plays with Harper. Usama needs to start with MM. And Simmons needs to start at MLB, not play ST's. Put Simoneau in on ST's. Our receivers are not lined up on the depth chart right and we're not putting our hammers (Bellamy and Simmons) in on running plays. At least the losses would make everyone less frustrated if we made good coaching moves with teh personnel.

09-19-2007, 04:32 PM	#34
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Yes, Payton did try running Deuce and he fumbled. The Reggie runs need to go to Deuce, most of them anyway. If the O is playing bad, throwing the ball isn't going to work. There's enough time to score 3 TDs in the second half by running Deuce. I would rather us be close in the 4th and have to rely on passing with a minute to go or Mare than have a 72 to 24 point diffrential in 2games. We were down 21-0 at the half and we still had time to pound Deuce in spite of his fumble(s) and get a TD and momentum. The offense needs that really bad. Reggie needs to run sparingly and Deuce needs to run a lot...not the other way around. Reggie is a lot better catching the ball. And with his pitter-patter dancing right now he doesn't deserve the ball at all. Deuce needs at least 20 carries a game. Henderson needs to be the 3rd or 4th WR. Patten should be at the #2 WR spot. Lance Moore should be our main #3 with Copper and Henderson rotating in. Reggie needs to cut and go..even if it's for 2 yards. On D we need KK in for Bullocks because he's at least visible and can pick the ball. Bellamy needs to be in on short yardage plays with Harper. Usama needs to start with MM. And Simmons needs to start at MLB, not play ST's. Put Simoneau in on ST's. Our receivers are not lined up on the depth chart right and we're not putting our hammers (Bellamy and Simmons) in on running plays. At least the losses would make everyone less frustrated if we made good coaching moves with teh personnel. I gottcha brother, I'm with ya. However, I still don't trust Mare on a 10 yard game winner. Hope he proves me wrong in the long run.
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09-20-2007, 12:11 AM	#35
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce right you can not run the ball when your down by 21. so true. so lets stop the non-sense btw if you can run the ball you are controlling the line of scrimmage. it makes everything else easier.

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09-20-2007, 10:37 AM	#36
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce We rode Duece all the way to the NFC Championship game last year...then jumped on the Drew train and the load was too heavy. The stats for the first two losses of this year mimic the stats for the NFC Champ loss to Chicago. The very next game (the SuperBowl) the Colts...the COLTS ... RAN ... for nearly 200 yards against the Bears. We have been stuck in a funk since a decision was made to try to run off of the pass - rather than passing off of the run. We can't exclusively pass or run the ball...there has to be an EFFECTIVE mix to make it all jel. Until now, there has been a heavy tilt to the passing side. When the Saints find a better balance of run and pass, with the bulk of the run load on Duece/Karney our troubles will continue.
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09-20-2007, 10:57 AM	#37
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by spkb25 right you can not run the ball when your down by 21. so true. so lets stop the non-sense btw if you can run the ball you are controlling the line of scrimmage. it makes everything else easier. good point but you can't pass the ball unless you suck the defensive backs in with the run so in reality you have to have a balance of both personally I say even if you have to punt you stick with the run game over and over until you see the D backs start to play up then you start to establish the pass simply because once you show them that you are not going to abandon the run game then they have to commit to stopping it that's one of the things the colts did to us play after play they ran Joseph Addai and then when we started to play up it was Marvin Harrison going deep
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09-20-2007, 11:08 AM	#38
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce ..::after giving this a 2nd thought I take that back because we can't establish the run unless we play better on the front line so at this point I'm really not sure what they are going to do::..

09-20-2007, 12:32 PM	#39
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce dar and deadman good points. absolutely you have to have a balance. no doubt. also deadman agree with you on sucking people in which is why i said the ability to run the ball makes everything else easier. if you are able to run the ball effectively you are controlling the line of scrimmage.

09-20-2007, 06:25 PM	#40
New #25 Newby Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas (Close enough to Lousiana) Posts: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce I think you're right, we should run Deuce more. But, I don't completely agree with you saying not running Reggie, we got him 1st round, 2nd pick..now were not going to even use him? We still need to run Reggie...