Jason David proves everyone wrong!

Euphoria · 11-12-2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintsrule

I thought the problem with the five loses was the offense.

Nope the D and O-line. I haven't been impressed with out ST's either. They have had some good moments but not impressed.

reggiedude · 11-12-2007, 08:21 PM

Jason David was featured on NFL Primetime this afternoon as: "BURNT TOAST"

Turbo Saint · 11-12-2007, 10:12 PM

he makes fast freddy look like a pro-bowl player :\

darstep · 11-13-2007, 10:15 AM

You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7.

Papa Voodoo · 11-13-2007, 11:30 AM

OK,

David's in and we lose 4 games. David's out and we win 4 games. David comes back and we lose. Hmmmm....

Euphoria · 11-13-2007, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7.

Ya know I have to agree with you. I went back and evaluated his play overall since the begining of the season. He isn't bad. I think he's had times trying to adjust at being all alone on an island trying to cover a WR instead of the cover two type stuff. He bit a few times on the short routes trying to make a play, letting a WR go by him uncovered. When he does have other assignments he plays fast, he plays with intensity and he makes plays. I'd sill have David out there over Thomas.

Another problem is we play to much man to man for any CB in the league. With no pass rush any WR will eventually get open.

I'd put the blame on the D cordinator and no pass rush for a lot of the problems. They need to better prepare David but otherwise I don't see replacing him will do any good.

papz · 11-13-2007, 12:32 PM

You've got to be kidding me... he gets torched over and over. He's horrible. Regulate him to nickel/dime duty until he can get his act together. I remember seeing some statistic about them throwing at him 10 times and completed 8 passes along with two touchdowns. If that's not bad, I don't know what is. Until he starts playing better, we cannot afford to let him play man out there. He bites on EVERY thing.

Euphoria · 11-13-2007, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You've got to be kidding me... he gets torched over and over. He's horrible. Regulate him to nickel/dime duty until he can get his act together. I remember seeing some statistic about them throwing at him 10 times and completed 8 passes along with two touchdowns. If that's not bad, I don't know what is. Until he starts playing better, we cannot afford to let him play man out there. He bites on EVERY thing.

You can post any stat you want to read anything you want them to. But based on play he's the best thing we got behind MM. Its a no brainer that you pick on your opponets worst defender. Hell we would do it against other teams. Benching him for FT isn't the answer for a couple of years we had the same problem with FT and JC. It isn't going to make anything any better.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-13-2007, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7.

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Ya know I have to agree with you. I went back and evaluated his play overall since the begining of the season. He isn't bad. I think he's had times trying to adjust at being all alone on an island trying to cover a WR instead of the cover two type stuff. He bit a few times on the short routes trying to make a play, letting a WR go by him uncovered. When he does have other assignments he plays fast, he plays with intensity and he makes plays. I'd sill have David out there over Thomas.

Another problem is we play to much man to man for any CB in the league. With no pass rush any WR will eventually get open.

I'd put the blame on the D cordinator and no pass rush for a lot of the problems. They need to better prepare David but otherwise I don't see replacing him will do any good.

Euphoria, could you please elaborate on your evaluation of David's play in weeks 5, 6, and 7?

darstep · 11-13-2007, 12:57 PM

David broke his arm and didn't play in 5, 6, and 7. That's the only reason he didn't get torched. Evaluating his skills and putting him in the right place is the job of the coaching staff. The only difference between he and Freddy is David is out of position and in the wrong spot ALL the time...every week. It almost looks like he's handing the receiver off to a deep safety that had to go pee...and didn't tell anybody. The coaches have to see what we see. There is no way they are missing his repeated miscues. He is making the EXACT same mistakes week after week. I have tried to give Jason David the benefit of the doubt (that's how I am), but the more I see the more I am convinced that he is too short, too slow, and too over matched in coverage. To his benefit, he is one of our leading tacklers. Usama Young may be ready to go this week - a hopeful quote from Sean Payton. If that is the case then David should sit a while and take a load off. I don't know what's up with the rest of the CB contengent - but I would rather see a WR over there going for the ball (at least he would think like his opponent would).

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by darstep You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7. Ya know I have to agree with you. I went back and evaluated his play overall since the begining of the season. He isn't bad. I think he's had times trying to adjust at being all alone on an island trying to cover a WR instead of the cover two type stuff. He bit a few times on the short routes trying to make a play, letting a WR go by him uncovered. When he does have other assignments he plays fast, he plays with intensity and he makes plays. I'd sill have David out there over Thomas. Another problem is we play to much man to man for any CB in the league. With no pass rush any WR will eventually get open. I'd put the blame on the D cordinator and no pass rush for a lot of the problems. They need to better prepare David but otherwise I don't see replacing him will do any good.
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11-13-2007, 12:32 PM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,685	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! You've got to be kidding me... he gets torched over and over. He's horrible. Regulate him to nickel/dime duty until he can get his act together. I remember seeing some statistic about them throwing at him 10 times and completed 8 passes along with two touchdowns. If that's not bad, I don't know what is. Until he starts playing better, we cannot afford to let him play man out there. He bites on EVERY thing.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by papz You've got to be kidding me... he gets torched over and over. He's horrible. Regulate him to nickel/dime duty until he can get his act together. I remember seeing some statistic about them throwing at him 10 times and completed 8 passes along with two touchdowns. If that's not bad, I don't know what is. Until he starts playing better, we cannot afford to let him play man out there. He bites on EVERY thing. You can post any stat you want to read anything you want them to. But based on play he's the best thing we got behind MM. Its a no brainer that you pick on your opponets worst defender. Hell we would do it against other teams. Benching him for FT isn't the answer for a couple of years we had the same problem with FT and JC. It isn't going to make anything any better.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by darstep You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7. Originally Posted by Euphoria Ya know I have to agree with you. I went back and evaluated his play overall since the begining of the season. He isn't bad. I think he's had times trying to adjust at being all alone on an island trying to cover a WR instead of the cover two type stuff. He bit a few times on the short routes trying to make a play, letting a WR go by him uncovered. When he does have other assignments he plays fast, he plays with intensity and he makes plays. I'd sill have David out there over Thomas. Another problem is we play to much man to man for any CB in the league. With no pass rush any WR will eventually get open. I'd put the blame on the D cordinator and no pass rush for a lot of the problems. They need to better prepare David but otherwise I don't see replacing him will do any good. Euphoria, could you please elaborate on your evaluation of David's play in weeks 5, 6, and 7?

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darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! David broke his arm and didn't play in 5, 6, and 7. That's the only reason he didn't get torched. Evaluating his skills and putting him in the right place is the job of the coaching staff. The only difference between he and Freddy is David is out of position and in the wrong spot ALL the time...every week. It almost looks like he's handing the receiver off to a deep safety that had to go pee...and didn't tell anybody. The coaches have to see what we see. There is no way they are missing his repeated miscues. He is making the EXACT same mistakes week after week. I have tried to give Jason David the benefit of the doubt (that's how I am), but the more I see the more I am convinced that he is too short, too slow, and too over matched in coverage. To his benefit, he is one of our leading tacklers. Usama Young may be ready to go this week - a hopeful quote from Sean Payton. If that is the case then David should sit a while and take a load off. I don't know what's up with the rest of the CB contengent - but I would rather see a WR over there going for the ball (at least he would think like his opponent would).
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