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Old 01-02-2008, 05:04 AM   #21
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MatthewT i bet we could trade your beauty straight up for ocho. nice
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:50 AM   #22
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we Could use and explosive veteran reciever! Chad stated friday on sirius he did not expect to be back with the bengals, so if he is available do the saints go after him. If not, what reciever would we like to see compliment colston?
ALSO Javon Walker of the Broncos he was hurt last year but could still play and be a threat
SI.com - NFL - Javon Walker says Denver's not a good fit - Monday December 31, 2007 5:06PM
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:53 AM   #23
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ALSO Javon Walker of the Broncos he was hurt last year but could still play and be a threat
SI.com - NFL - Javon Walker says Denver's not a good fit - Monday December 31, 2007 5:06PM
Im still leary of a Wideout coming off an ACL injury......and if one thing the bronco's need its wideout, I dont see them letting go of walker anytime soon.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:00 PM   #24
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Walker's a big baby... there's no need to bring him here. 2 of the last 3 years he's been injured and he's a "me" type of player.
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Nothing need be done to the offense.

Fix the defense. Period.

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Nothing needs to be fixed on offense? Um, where was all this praise for the offense the first four games of the season. WE HAVE NO SPEED AT WR THAT CAN CATCH. We saw what happened with our WR's when they were jammed at the line, not one of them had the moves or recovery speed to get beyond and open and Brees payed the price for it. If Johnson is not tagged and all we need is to pony up the money I am all for it. Maybe we can trade them J. David, Bullocks, some other crappy defensive player for him. Our offense is not perfect, good but not great. Speed kills and without speed you get killed. I love Colston but he does not have great speed, he needs someone opposite him that can draw some attention, and Patten and Henderson are not gonna cut it. Maybe Meachum will, but if not and no draft choices are required I say get C JOhnson.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:39 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by papz View Post
Bulk defense... we have some areas of need on offense also. A sure handed receiver and a reliable tightend. Both Miller and Johnson are upcoming free agents.
My "all defense all the time" mantra is of course tempered with resigning our own offensive free agents. Along with the two that you listed Faine, Goodwin, Patton, Henderson, and Nesbit are also scheduled to become free agents.

We cannot afford to deplete the offensive talent pool. We need to resign our own free agents or find suitable replacements.

But augmenting the offense with blockbusters like Johnson before addressing the teams woeful defense? Not a chance.

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Old 02-08-2008, 09:54 AM   #27
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Nothing needs to be fixed on offense? Um, where was all this praise for the offense the first four games of the season. WE HAVE NO SPEED AT WR THAT CAN CATCH.
Brees finished up with nearly 4500 yards passing. Someone has to be getting open.

We saw what happened with our WR's when they were jammed at the line, not one of them had the moves or recovery speed to get beyond and open and Brees payed the price for it.
So then with 4500 yards receiving on nearly 300 catches by the receivers, exactly how often did this happen?

If Johnson is not tagged and all we need is to pony up the money I am all for it. Maybe we can trade them J. David, Bullocks, some other crappy defensive player for him. Our offense is not perfect, good but not great. Speed kills and without speed you get killed. I love Colston but he does not have great speed, he needs someone opposite him that can draw some attention, and Patten and Henderson are not gonna cut it. Maybe Meachum will, but if not and no draft choices are required I say get C JOhnson.
The defense needs to get so so much better than any improvements on the offense, I just can't see a justification for it.

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Old 02-08-2008, 10:08 AM   #28
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Skip. this guy thinks he is bigger than the game. He is a great WR but I do not put him a locker room as a positive team leader. I would rather do a Ditka and trade away this year draft FOR Fitz from the cards than bring him aboard.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:19 AM   #29
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I can't believe we're even arguing this. Everyone wants defense but keeps saying YEAH BUT...

"YEAH BUT if we had another receiver to complement Colston our offense would be the best!" We were 4th in offensive rankings this year and had such a great cast at wideout that our first round pick never even sniffed the field. They'll be even better next year as it is.

"YEAH BUT if we had a good back the running game would work!" Pierre Thomas ripped apart the vaunted Monsters of the Midway, in their house, in the middle of December. If Deuce can't come back, we've already found his replacement. If Reggie actually puts it together, watch out.

"YEAH BUT the offensive line sucks we need some toughness in there!" Brees was sacked the least of any quarterback this year: 15 times. That's less than one sack a game. When Reggie wasn't breakdancing in the backfield Aaron Stecker and PT were gashing opposing defenses and they aren't exactly household names.

The simple facts:
1. If you wear the same color jersey Brees will find you; if we didn't have the most stone-handed receivers this side of Philly we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

2. We are quickly turning into Denver with our ability to plug in undrafted and journeymen RBs and watch them put up surprising numbers, and our offense isn't even based on rushing.

3. We have a very solid line, most of whom are young, with room to get better and tons of depth behind them. Stinchcomb walks? Bushrod or Strief takes his spot. Nesbit finally falls off? Alleman gets his chance to be a monster.

4. Chad Johnson is a crybaby prima donna who is going to hurt the team more than help. Even if we needed more help at wideout, there's no way any of us should support that move.

And most importantly...
5. New York just beat the living snot out of the most acclaimed offensive group in living memory with a vicious front seven, a good scheme, and sheer willpower. I'm not sure about you guys, but while I don't mind having records if we won the Superbowl I could die happy.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:39 AM   #30
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Originally Posted by NarwhalHunter View Post
I can't believe we're even arguing this. Everyone wants defense but keeps saying YEAH BUT...

"YEAH BUT if we had another receiver to complement Colston our offense would be the best!" We were 4th in offensive rankings this year and had such a great cast at wideout that our first round pick never even sniffed the field. They'll be even better next year as it is.

"YEAH BUT if we had a good back the running game would work!" Pierre Thomas ripped apart the vaunted Monsters of the Midway, in their house, in the middle of December. If Deuce can't come back, we've already found his replacement. If Reggie actually puts it together, watch out.

"YEAH BUT the offensive line sucks we need some toughness in there!" Brees was sacked the least of any quarterback this year: 15 times. That's less than one sack a game. When Reggie wasn't breakdancing in the backfield Aaron Stecker and PT were gashing opposing defenses and they aren't exactly household names.

The simple facts:
1. If you wear the same color jersey Brees will find you; if we didn't have the most stone-handed receivers this side of Philly we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

2. We are quickly turning into Denver with our ability to plug in undrafted and journeymen RBs and watch them put up surprising numbers, and our offense isn't even based on rushing.

3. We have a very solid line, most of whom are young, with room to get better and tons of depth behind them. Stinchcomb walks? Bushrod or Strief takes his spot. Nesbit finally falls off? Alleman gets his chance to be a monster.

4. Chad Johnson is a crybaby prima donna who is going to hurt the team more than help. Even if we needed more help at wideout, there's no way any of us should support that move.

And most importantly...
5. New York just beat the living snot out of the most acclaimed offensive group in living memory with a vicious front seven, a good scheme, and sheer willpower. I'm not sure about you guys, but while I don't mind having records if we won the Superbowl I could die happy.
Preach my brother NarwhalHunter! PREACH!



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