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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Private money.... Where did they get all that money? From the FANS. Yes they provided the initial investments, to build the team, but without the consumers, buying their products, they would be dead in the water. ...

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Old 09-12-2010, 10:07 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 View Post
Private money.... Where did they get all that money? From the FANS. Yes they provided the initial investments, to build the team, but without the consumers, buying their products, they would be dead in the water.
Private VS Public refers to (and I know you know this) independent of the Gov, or run by the gov.

The main difference is choice- people can choose to spend the money for this product (the NFL). If they do not want their product they won't buy it.

The Government forces you to buy their product. There is no choice.

Your other point though Saint Paul- I don't know what is going to happen if they lock out. They will all lose money- it will not be good for anyone
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Old 09-12-2010, 05:43 PM   #32
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i want a salary cap on the owners not the players.
i want a cap on the price of tickets.
i want a living wage paid to stadium employees.
i want all nfl uniforms gear and memorabilia to be made in the usa.
i want to to not look at ads in the stadium.
i want them to sell only local beer at the stadium.
i want them to sell only local snacks at the stadium.
i want the nfl owners to donate more to local investments.
i want them to buy their own stadium.

then i would be able to care less what the players make.


The nfl is our national past time.
i think they should start acting as such.

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Old 09-12-2010, 07:33 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
Private VS Public refers to (and I know you know this) independent of the Gov, or run by the gov.

The main difference is choice- people can choose to spend the money for this product (the NFL). If they do not want their product they won't buy it.

The Government forces you to buy their product. There is no choice.

Your other point though Saint Paul- I don't know what is going to happen if they lock out. They will all lose money- it will not be good for anyone
My point was, that as fans, who support these organizations, with our money, we do have a right to our opinions on these matters. The majority of the money spent on players, stadiums, and etc, comes from the purchases made by us, the fans. Now, once I spend it, I reallize it isn't mine anymore. But at the same time, if I buy a television, and it doesn't work, you better believe I'm gonna want my money back. Billionaires, or not, without the fans, these franchises would fall flat on their butts, and they know that.
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Old 09-12-2010, 07:48 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by exiled View Post
i want a salary cap on the owners not the players. How so?
i want a cap on the price of tickets. Disagree
i want a living wage paid to stadium employees. What's a living wage?
i want all nfl uniforms gear and memorabilia to be made in the usa.The price would double
i want to to not look at ads in the stadium.You don't have to look at them
i want them to sell only local beer at the stadium.I prefer options
i want them to sell only local snacks at the stadium.I prefer options
i want the nfl owners to donate more to local investments.Most donate more than we'll make in our life
i want them to buy their own stadium.Agreed

then i would be able to care less what the players make. I already could care less

The nfl is our national past time. i think they should start acting as such. How do you act like a National pastime?
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:54 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 View Post
My point was, that as fans, who support these organizations, with our money, we do have a right to our opinions on these matters. The majority of the money spent on players, stadiums, and etc, comes from the purchases made by us, the fans. Now, once I spend it, I reallize it isn't mine anymore. But at the same time, if I buy a television, and it doesn't work, you better believe I'm gonna want my money back. Billionaires, or not, without the fans, these franchises would fall flat on their butts, and they know that.
sure you can have an opinion, and you can keep from spending money, as well as watching games. if enough people do that- it will have an impact.

they're just not going to listen to you when it comes to their pay roll
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:30 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
sure you can have an opinion, and you can keep from spending money, as well as watching games. if enough people do that- it will have an impact.

they're just not going to listen to you when it comes to their pay roll
I don't agree with this either. When fans get fed up with coaches, and players, if they raise enough hell, management eventually gets the message, and makes a change. I'm not saying they are going to call us to see who we should, and shouldn't sign, but the fans have alot more influence than you seem to acknowledge.
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The players' use of an NFL game with a captive audience to air their salary agenda is a violation of ethics, plain and simple. People shell out bucks to be entertained, not to be manipulated into rubber stamping players' debatable plea for a more favorable contract. It makes no difference whether the players' cause has merit or not. The fact that they are using an entertainment forum to plead their personal cause is way out of line.

A gentleman posted on this thread previously that he is a teacher. Awesome. If you, sir, were to use your classroom as a forum to air your personal grievances or causes, you should rightly expect to get your south side chewed by your school administrators. Or be fired. And rightfully so. You are being paid to teach, not to appeal for support of your personal causes AT WORK. The same is true for all of us. And the same is true for NFL players. Fans are paying to be entertained by them, not to support their quest for more money. Or whatever they want more of.

If players want better contracts, great. They should go seek them on their own time. But they should not use an NFL game that people pay to see as a forum to explicitly forward their cause.

I don't care about NFL labor disputes. And I object to way in which NFL players are going about seeking my support in their dispute. It is unethical, it is manipulative, and it pizzes me off.

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Old 09-12-2010, 09:37 PM   #38
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The players' use of an NFL game with a captive audience to air their salary agenda is a violation of ethics, plain and simple. People shell out bucks to be entertained, not to be manipulated into rubber stamping players' debatable plea for a more favorable contract. It makes no difference whether the players' cause has merit or not. The fact that they are using an entertainment forum to plead their personal cause is way out of line.

A gentleman posted on this thread previously that he is a teacher. Awesome. If you, sir, were to use your classroom as a forum to air your personal grievances or causes, you should rightly expect to get your south side chewed by your school administrators. Or be fired. And rightfully so. You are being paid to teach, not to appeal for support of your personal causes AT WORK. The same is true for all of us. And the same is true for NFL players. Fans are paying to be entertained by them, not to support their quest for more money. Or whatever they want more of. If players want better contracts, great. They should go seek them on their own time. But they should not use an NFL game that people pay to see as a forum to explicitly forward their cause.

I don't care about your labor disputes. And when I pay money for you to do a job, I do not expect you to maneuver me into a position that favors your personal causes. It is unethical and it pizzes me off. If it continues, I will seek another mode of entertainment.
I think that was the point though top. The players KNOW, that without them, the owners are dead in the water. Like it or not, pay or no pay, they have the upper hand. Players get locked out, owners get scrubs, fans don't watch, players win. That's just the way it is.
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:59 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 View Post
I think that was the point though top. The players KNOW, that without them, the owners are dead in the water. Like it or not, pay or no pay, they have the upper hand. Players get locked out, owners get scrubs, fans don't watch, players win. That's just the way it is.
You may be right for many people, but not for me. If players press this agenda to the point of a lockout, I would drop NFL football altogether. I don't need its addictive rush that badly.
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You may be right for many people, but not for me. If players press this agenda to the point of a lockout, I would drop NFL football altogether. I don't need its addictive rush that badly.
Ok, if the lock out occurs, it will be the owners that do it, not the players. Basically, if I understand it all correctly, if the players don't agree, to the new bargaining agreement, by a certain date, then the owners will lock them out. Not a strike persay. A forced strike is more like it.
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