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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Collins, Culpepper, Maddux, Kitna and Brad Johnson all had similar numbers and none of them made the playoffs. Johnson was even 5th in the league in yardage. Tom Brady had about the same yardage as Brooks but with a higher ...

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Old 01-27-2004, 11:28 AM   #51
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Collins, Culpepper, Maddux, Kitna and Brad Johnson all had similar numbers and none of them made the playoffs.

Johnson was even 5th in the league in yardage.

Tom Brady had about the same yardage as Brooks but with a higher completion percentage though. Delhomme threw for fewer yards and he\'s in the big game too.

So I guess that yes, Brooks numbers could be the same as those of a superbowl QB. But then Brooks numbers could be the same as those of a 6-10 QB too.

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Old 01-27-2004, 11:38 AM   #52
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Thank you Thank you Thank you BMG. See the point? People wanna make Brooks the reason the Saints didn\'t make the playoffs. I think that based on your response it ain\'t all about the QB and that Brooks\' numbers are fine. Thank You !
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Thank you Thank you Thank you BMG. See the point? People wanna make Brooks the reason the Saints didn\'t make the playoffs. I think that based on your response it ain\'t all about the QB and that Brooks\' numbers are fine. Thank You !
My problem with Brooks has never really been his numbers, it\'s been his head and his heart. And yea, I think he\'s a big reason we don\'t go to the playoffs.
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Really? His numbers indicate otherwise. You can question his heart all day. That\'s fine...but unless you\'re in the huddle with him I\'m not sure how you quantify that. I think the defense is a far bigger reason this team didn\'t make the playoffs. I guess we can just agree to disagree.
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I\'ve seen Brooks LEAD big come backs in several games. I\'ve seen Brooks make key plays in critical situations. I\'ve seen Brooks have monster games against great defenses and not-so-great defenses.

I\'ve also seen Brooks make mistakes. Hey, Brooks is not perfect and he has cost the Saints games in the past. But, all QB\'s have cost their teams games. Overall Brooks has carried his weight. Which is why I don\'t see why folks are pointing the finger at Brooks. There are REAL problems on this team that need to be addressed that are keeping us out of the playoffs. And Brooks is far from being one of those problems. Brooks is definately a playoff caliber QB, at the very least, but some treat him like he\'s holding this team back and have no EVIDENCE that is the case.

I\'ve asked for facts and all I get are opinions. Last year folks wanted to look at stats. This year they don\'t want to talk about stats or completion percentage. They want to talk about leadership. Is leadership what\'s holding us back? Or, is defense holding us back and also holding Aaron Brooks back from truly becoming an elite QB in this league?

I think the Saints are holding Brooks back and not the other way around!!
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Old 01-27-2004, 12:41 PM   #56
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No one is presenting any FACTS, merely statistics. Some people are presenting statistics and stating their OPINION that these stats support their OPINION. When people with the opposing OPINION posts statistics they believe support their OPINION, all of a sudden statistics don\'t mean anything.

What is ridiculous is the constantly changing \"importance\" of individual stats to whatever the flavor-of-the-month is for evaluating whether a QB is \"good\". Last year our scoring a billion points all year long and AB\'s involvement in that stat made him \"good.\" This year his completion percentage and low number of interceptions (despite setting an NFL record for fumbles lost) make him \"good.\" The point is that regardless of pulling a stat out of your @*& to support it, IT IS ALL JUST OPINION!

It would be great if everyone would quit knocking other people\'s opinion as \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\" Your OWN OPINION is no more valid, nor any more \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\"

This message has been brought to you by my opinion, and hold no more nor less value than anyone elses.

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Old 01-27-2004, 12:46 PM   #57
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It would be great if everyone would quit knocking other people\'s opinion as \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\" Your OWN OPINION is no more valid, nor any more \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\"
Well said FF.
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Old 01-27-2004, 12:49 PM   #58
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My opinion may not be more valid than anyone else\'s on this board, but it is my opinion that their are plenty of dumb opinions on this board. However, I hate almost everyone, so I might be biased. :P
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Old 01-27-2004, 12:52 PM   #59
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Well said FF.
What\'s well said about it?

FF said this:


It would be great if everyone would quit knocking other people\'s opinion as \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\" Your OWN OPINION is no more valid, nor any more \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\"
Now here\'s a FACT and not an opinion. NO WHERE in this thread did anyone say someone was:

\"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.\" Your OWN OPINION is no more valid, nor any more \"dumb\", \"unsupported\", \"crazy\" or an \"agenda.

To me it was neither \"well said\" or the truth, but just an attempt to post something that hadn\'t been said at all.


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Old 01-27-2004, 01:12 PM   #60
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Leave it to you to take it as a personal attack and get defensive....

The post I made did not quote anyone in this thread, but now that it is out there - all of those things have been said by various people on this board. Enough is enough, we are all adults here. I can disagree with your opinion (and almost always do) without dogging your opinion out. It takes some self-control and some consideration for others, but it can be done.
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