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Old 04-10-2012, 10:55 PM   #1
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Seen this come through my timeline on Twitter. Worth looking at, includes audio clip.

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Old 04-10-2012, 11:08 PM   #2
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:11 PM   #3
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:14 PM   #4
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Again. There's audio from an interview on there.

That's the key why I posted it.
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They need to sue the NFL.
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The entire situation is just weird.
The problem is the NFL has no "Judicial system" in place to handle these matters, it's just a dictatorship.
The Saints are the perfect scapegoat for the Commish and the NFL to make their point.

I, like so many other Saints fans, grow so weary of the entire Bountygate matter that I'm ready to completely move on.

Would need Watergate-esque hard cold evidence to make a case, and by the time anything got started, draft and training camp will be underway and we'll be watching our team do whatever in their power to salvage a chance at a superbowl.

If pending suspensions cripple the team, then I'd say YES the Saints as an organization need to take the commish down not by legal means but by manipulation of the owners to have him removed or reverse harsh suspensions.

Loomis, Sean Payton and at least Vilma and a few others will not be factors in this season. It just is what it is.

Great journalism on the part of our friends at Canal Street Chronicles - really appreciate this contribution.

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The entire situation is just weird.
The problem is the NFL has no "Judicial system" in place to handle these matters, it's just a dictatorship.
The Saints are the perfect scapegoat for the Commish and the NFL to make their point.

I, like so many other Saints fans, grow so weary of the entire Bountygate matter that I'm ready to completely move on.

Would need Watergate-esque hard cold evidence to make a case, and by the time anything got started, draft and training camp will be underway and we'll be watching our team do whatever in their power to salvage a chance at a superbowl.

If pending suspensions cripple the team, then I'd say YES the Saints as an organization need to take the commish down not by legal means but by manipulation of the owners to have him removed or reverse harsh suspensions.

Loomis, Sean Payton and at least Vilma and a few others will not be factors in this season. It just is what it is.

Great journalism on the part of our friends at Canal Street Chronicles - really appreciate this contribution.
These have been my thoughts from the very beginning.

If there were any kind of actual judicial process, these accusations would have been laughed at. Instead, it is, in fact, a dictatorship. So now we're the one's being laughed at because we're left with an empty feeling, knowing that so much is being ignored and we can't do anything about it.

It's pathetic. But I have a good feeling that justice will find it's way, in the form of a Super Bowl victory, fittingly in our own backyard.
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:36 AM   #8
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And look, the Saints aren't, y'know, virgins here, but they're not the evil guys they're being made out to be.
This was, and is, my opinion on the whole thing ... also, the lack of any sort of real judicial process, the lack of disclosure in regards to the evidence ... it's weak and shouldn't be run on any team in the league.

It is a weird situation and I can't help but think in the back of my mind that this is what the NFL owners want in order to protect themselves from future injury-lawsuits.

So much BS has been thrown around, I'm tired of it too, but it's like a train wreck ... you can't look away, no matter how hard you try. For the Saints' sake, I wish they'd just hand out the punishments and get it over with so you guys can prepare for next season.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:55 AM   #9
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Bountygate Evidence May Have Been Fake

The whistleblower or "snitch" in the Saints Bountygate scandal has allegedly been revealed. According to local New Orleans author Alan Donnes in a Tuesday interview with America's News Radio Network, it was Saints defensive quality control Coach Mike Cerullo who first alerted the league about Gregg Williams' bounty program.

But the other equally interesting tidbit from Donnes' radio interview that seems to have fallen through the cracks is the fact that some of the evidence supplied by Cerullo to the NFL may not have even been real, an hypothesis many Saints fans have posited since news of the scandal first surfaced:


From a source, in the situation, some of the materials - printed materials - that the whistleblower turned in were suspect and may not have actually been real. And I think Roger Goodell overreacted and now he can't get out of it. And look, the Saints aren't, y'know, virgins here, but they're not the evil guys they're being made out to be.

If true, this may very well explain why NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the league have been so tight-lipped about the 10,000 documents and 50,000 pages of evidence they claim to possess. This theory that Cerullo forged evidence would also seem plausible if it's true that, as Donnes revealed, "he believed that it was Gregg Williams and Sean Payton and others in the Saints organization blocking him from getting other work." That would be a potentially legitimate motive.

And it really doesn't matter how much evidence may actually be bogus, because even if it's just a single page it opens a Pandora's Box of questions as to the validity of the entire Bountygate accusations. What other evidence might be phony? Who is checking and looking over this evidence? Everything can and should now be questioned.


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Old 04-11-2012, 08:00 AM   #10
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My opinion since day one .... I knew the NFL and Goddell were full of bull, Goddell has to look like he is all about player safety because of the lawsuits that are about to happen by the ex players due to their health problems after football and he had the perfect sacrificial lamb in the Saints. I just don't understand why Payton and Loomis took it on the chin like they did but sometimes your job gets in the way of your morals and I can't say I blame either one for falling on the sword to get their jobs next year going foward
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