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Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Jim Finks! The front office was taken from the same group who built the '84 Bears. Finks left the Bears in 1982 before that monster gelled, but it was his handiwork that brought those players together. Finks resigned when the ...

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Old 07-16-2014, 04:45 PM   #31
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

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The front office was taken from the same group who built the '84 Bears.
Finks left the Bears in 1982 before that monster gelled, but it was his handiwork that brought those players together. Finks resigned when the organization didn't consult him when they hired Ditka, someone Finks didn't like so much.

The Bears were a limp wrist through the 70's until Finks went in and acquired players. Then they ran playoffs for years.

His style of team was old school - build a nasty defense and spend your money on monster offensive linemen, and the rest will take care of itself.

Although he was the architect of teams, Finks lacked "pizzazz" or magic needed to make a Superbowl winner. Someone like Ditka was able to spark a fire to build one of the more memorable teams in NFL history using Finks talent pool he left with the Bears (yes it takes an insane idiot like Coach Ditka to create an earth shattering miracle). It also took Ditka a short few years to mostly dismantle that team, so it was practically a one hit wonder.

Finks was no frills, and so was the Saints offense just like Finks - old school, unimaginative, down and distance, playoff bound but never Superbowl material.
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:09 PM   #32
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Eric Martin may not have been the best WR in the NFL then, but he was like Marques Colston.

Don't forget about Quinn Early
Eric Martin and Quinn Early were both good, starting-quality receivers. So was Lonzell Hill for a few years. Floyd Turner and Brett Perriman were good #3 types. In the later years of Mora when Everett was QB, Michael Haynes and Torrance Small were putting up good numbers too. We always had a revolving door of WR's but they were always productive for the most part.

If you could send Brees back in time to those teams I bet the offense wouldn't look much different, with Martin in the Colston role, Early as Lance Moore and Turner as the Henderson/Meachem field-stretcher.

We had all the parts on offense then, just not a QB. Now when Ditka took over, that was when we were devoid of talent on offense.
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

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Old 07-16-2014, 10:52 PM   #34
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1-Mora was a bit conservative at times.
2-Thus relying on Anderson for the 3pts over and over and so on.
3-You really did not have a QB in Bobby Herbert and backup, Fourcade. LA boys which were most important for fans then to have rather a really strong QB.
4-O-line was ok.
5-YES, D-line was tops and that and Anderson put up points by D-line shutting down the other team and Anderson 3pts again, aain and so on.
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Old 07-17-2014, 04:42 AM   #35
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

I remember one game at the start of the 4th 21-21.
Other team 3 TD's Saint's 7 field goals.

I remember the announcer mentioning how the Saints got there the other way.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:25 AM   #36
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Carl smith, carl smith, carl smith and a few prevent defenses when u have one of the defenses ever

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Old 07-17-2014, 04:28 PM   #37
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...because Mora didn't like Fourcade and gave up on him too early...because Bobby took his ball and stayed home when Johnny was named starter...and when they gave up on John F they went out and mortgaged the farm for a noodle arm QB named Steve Walsh.
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Old 07-19-2014, 10:32 AM   #38
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coaching end of story

Mora inherited quarterback Bobby Hebert so that does not hold water
Plenty of solid talent in the backfield. Wr were pretty solid. OL was well above average also

he gutted the NFL best defensive coaching staff to keep the OC Carl Smith.

It was Mora love for Carl Smith that killed the team. I forgot his name for a reason but it has resurfaced here. Mora never did the right thing with his offensive coaching staff. Replace Carl Smith. We always were waiting for those two come out of the closet. that would be the reason we could think of for this love affair to go on

I never understood his loyalty to the OC Carl Smith at all.

Mora has to thank Bum for building the core of the team that made him a winner.

blame rest with Mora.
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Old 07-19-2014, 10:51 AM   #39
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This is something I could never figure out given that the Ravens won purely off defense and no offense and where built in similar fashion to the Mora Saints teams back then.

But it could of been when some teams win the SB these days, theirs a lack of competition to. Which I believe we are nearing an era right now where any team can win it as Brees, Brady, and Manning get older, hence why teams like Baltimore and Seattle have both won.
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The Saints were 12-3 one year 92 I think. Unfortunately Moras teams folded in the playoffs. Why didn't Moras teams beat Dallas San Fransisco or Philadelphia in pre salary cap days? Duh? That'd have been like the As winning the World Series. The 49ers had Montana Rice Craig Rathman Taylor Lott Sanders. The Saints had Hilliard Martin Hebert Hill Brenner and of course the Done Patrol. But compared to the 49ers Hall of Fame riddled roster. And don't get me started on the Cowboys in the 90s with Aikman Smith Irving and the best O-line in history.
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