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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno Thats speculation. It was reported on several sites that the Saints offer would have made him the highest paid QB of all time. Drew decided to play out his contract instead. Agreed Nicks wasn't our downfall, ...

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Old 06-04-2016, 04:01 PM   #31
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Thats speculation. It was reported on several sites that the Saints offer would have made him the highest paid QB of all time. Drew decided to play out his contract instead.

Agreed Nicks wasn't our downfall, but there was a significant drop-off from Nicks to Grubbs.
That too is nothing but speculation. But for argument's sake, let's say it is true. Let's say they did offer him a deal that averaged the highest ever, but was structured in such a manner that not much of that was guaranteed and could only be realized on the back end. That's sounds pretty familiar to Loomis type deals, no? It sounds good to someone that doesn't truly understand contracts, but isn't worth a crap as a secure deal in today's game. Gullible media members and their equally unknowing fanbase would eat it up.

And, yes, a significant drop-off, but nothing at all worth vilifying Brees over, especially when it was not his fault whatsoever.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:13 PM   #32
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Guido, I respect your opinion, whether I agree or not. But good hell man, can't you do the same for others? Some people think Brees puts the team in a bad spot sometimes. It doesn't mean they hate him. And to be Frank, your opinion is truly that. Yours. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are wrong and your opinion is fact and correct. By your logic, "none of us know anything" unless we were privyed to the actual situation. So... everyone has an opinion about something they don't know all the facts about. Argue if you want, but you'll not convince everyone you're right. And you may seem a bit pompous to some in attempting to do so.
I am sorry, but I cannot respect, and refuse to respect, the opinion of anyone that continues to put the blame on Brees for anything when he has done nothing but be the best Saint ever on and off the field. He is blamed for personnel moves that are solely on the front office. He has no responsibility to forfeit anything he has earned to cover for the incompetence of the management. Place the blame where it belongs and not on the one individual that finally has made our Saints relevant.

How soon we forget. How shallow we are. Hell no I am not going to respect those idiotic opinions. Call me an ******* or whatever. I really don't care.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:28 PM   #33
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I am starting to think AsylumGuido is Condon in disguise. Every time some one says something "unflattering" about Brees he freaks out. You have to learn to relax brother. We are allowed to have our own opinion. I for one think we should do everyting but cup Brees balls to get a new conttact done. Saints go as Brees goes.
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Old 06-04-2016, 04:55 PM   #34
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What gives you a good feeling about Grayson? He isn't even good enough to win the back-up job. Comparing him to Rodgers is silly. Coming out of college it was clear that Rodgers had far more potential than Grayson had ever shown. Rodgers was highly touted and drafted to be the eventual starter and was the back-up to Favre from day one. Grayson is, and has has never been more than, the token QB picked up with the hope that one day they may be able to elevate to a position of back-up. He has no more going for him than any other #3 QB the Saints have entertained since Brees took the helm.
He might. The Saints might not want to pay Brees a big fat contract. That leaves the young gun Greyson. Trial by fire !! If you can say he'll never be nothing why can I say good of him? Prove me wrong?
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I am starting to think AsylumGuido is Condon in disguise. Every time some one says something "unflattering" about Brees he freaks out. You have to learn to relax brother. We are allowed to have our own opinion. I for one think we should do everyting but cup Brees balls to get a new conttact done. Saints go as Brees goes.
I agree. If Brees goes, we're screwed. I want nothing more then the man to spend the rest of his career in NOLA. Cup them if that's what it takes. Cup them!!
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He might. The Saints might not want to pay Brees a big fat contract. That leaves the young gun Greyson. Trial by fire !! If you can say he'll never be nothing why can I say good of him? Prove me wrong?
Trail by fire means automatic losing and you know that. And even if the Saints lose their frickin minds and decide that Brees is not worth it, McCown gives the Saints a better chance at remaining 5-11 type of team than Grayson.

I honestly do hope Grayson can pull his head out of his butt and look decent enough to hold the clipboard.
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I agree. If Brees goes, we're screwed. I want nothing more then the man to spend the rest of his career in NOLA. Cup them if that's what it takes. Cup them!!
This is the feeling of the vast number of Saints fans. We will sink back into obscurity without him at this point. I can't understand the irrational hatred of some.
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This is the feeling of the vast number of Saints fans. We will sink back into obscurity without him at this point. I can't understand the irrational hatred of some.
I haven't noticed much of that at all. Who are you speaking of?
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I haven't noticed much of that at all. Who are you speaking of?
Oh, only those that constantly vilify Brees for being greedy and wanting the Saints to move on from him rather than giving him what he deserves. Those that blame him for the fall from grace of the Saints because of his totally crippling contract. That's all.
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It sounds as if you have no issue with having a crappy product on the field for the sake of money that isn't coming out of your pocket. As a fan you, and I, have not got any clue as to the value of players. The fixation on what individual players get paid is pointless. As fans we should want the very best players on the field. Who the hell cares what the man's check looks like? I want to know that he has the ability to make my team as good as it can be. Brees could decline for the next five years and still most likely be a better option than Grayson five years from now.

With the way the cap is exploding due to increasing revenue streams and with all of the dead cap rolling off the Saints books following this season money is not an issue. That said, why in the hell should it EVER be an issue for the fan? Don't forget, we are ignorant in the scheme of things. Some more ignorant than others.
Couldn't agree more. Some of these people act like its their money or even their tax dollars. It's Bensons money and what business is ours how much he spends. I understand the cap issue but a front loaded contract could solve that problem without hurting the team
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