Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2016, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Even our own sports guys aren't expecting much. I am optimistic cautiously but will reserve judgement until after the season

If we don't improve this year I don't see much chance of us contending again without a major overhaul.

We have already had a major overhaul. Have you been asleep the last couple of years? We have replaced virtually 90% of our roster.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2016, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

If you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then yes even a little improvement on D should help. As long as our offense doesn't take a step back.

That of course is a given. However, it honestly not a subject of discussion simply because there is no evidence to support that the offense is going to be significantly different than it has been.

Anything less than a downright good defense won't get us back to 7-9 if our offense takes a step back. It could very well become a complete loss. Think Brees can average another 20 plus points a game average?

Take a look here and observe some of the "most consecutive" NFL records:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ing_touchdowns

Most consecutive seasons, 30+ passing touchdowns: 8, Drew Brees, 2008–2015

Most consecutive home games with 1+ passing touchdowns: 54, Drew Brees, 2009–present

Most consecutive games, 1+ passing touchdowns: 54, Drew Brees, 2009–2012[1]:

BTW Did you know that Drew Brees second streak starting in 2012 ran another 45 games ending last November? So literally in the last 105 games there have only been two where he did not throw a TD pass?

Brees led the league in passing last year. And he only played 15 games. If he had actually been healthy for the 2nd half of the Tampa game and played in the Carolina game it would have been a 5th 5000 yard passing season. A 5th where no other QB in history has more than 1.

Now I know that the offense is more than about Brees. However, you have a decade of consistency to rely on all the way up to game 16 of last season.

So as I started with, there's no evidence that the offense will regress. In fact an improved defense will help the offense too. With more balance and less pressure to come from behind all the time, signs point to progress not regress.

SFIAH

K Major · 07-18-2016, 11:16 AM

2016 Training camp is almost here

!

Rugby Saint II · 07-18-2016, 12:42 PM

Top five offense and a top ten defense is not impossible. Improbable but not impossible........I'm an optimist.

We've come out of nowhere a couple of times and had good defenses. I think we can do it again.

|Mitch| · 07-18-2016, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

2016 Training camp is almost here !

Better yet; 3 1/2 weeks until our first preseason game

QBREES9 · 07-18-2016, 02:34 PM

Day by day we're getting closer YEAH!!!!!!

Danno · 07-18-2016, 07:17 PM

In my opinion the only "surprise" would be to finish 2016 with less than 10 wins.

We will again finish with a top 5 offense, and every indication is we'll likely be a middle of the pack defense.

Thats 10 wins minimum.

foreverfan · 07-18-2016, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We have already had a major overhaul. Have you been asleep the last couple of years? We have replaced virtually 90% of our roster.

Originally Posted by Danno

In my opinion the only "surprise" would be to finish 2016 with less than 10 wins.

We will again finish with a top 5 offense, and every indication is we'll likely be a middle of the pack defense.

Thats 10 wins minimum.

spkb25 · 07-19-2016, 05:44 AM

It really depends on so many factors. We have the building blocks though and we are working our way back. I am telling you I still have a feeling that our offense could be as good as '11.

Give me a D that is 20th and we will make the playoffs. I will wait to see how the D sounds in camp vs the O, etc. Just have to see the product on the field

Rugby Saint II · 07-20-2016, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'd like this twice if I could.

In my opinion...

7 wins would be a disaster,
8 wins would be a disappointing,
9 wins would be slightly under-achieving
10 wins is about expected,
11 wins would be slightly over-achieving
12 wins would not be a total shock.

Under 8 or over 12 would very much surprise me.

Once again Danno. You put it in perfect perspective going into training camp!

I'd like it twice if I could.

07-16-2016, 10:58 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com Originally Posted by The Dude Even our own sports guys aren't expecting much. I am optimistic cautiously but will reserve judgement until after the season If we don't improve this year I don't see much chance of us contending again without a major overhaul. We have already had a major overhaul. Have you been asleep the last couple of years? We have replaced virtually 90% of our roster.

07-16-2016, 11:56 PM	#12
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com Originally Posted by The Dude If you can win 7 games with virtually no defense, then yes even a little improvement on D should help. As long as our offense doesn't take a step back. That of course is a given. However, it honestly not a subject of discussion simply because there is no evidence to support that the offense is going to be significantly different than it has been. Anything less than a downright good defense won't get us back to 7-9 if our offense takes a step back. It could very well become a complete loss. Think Brees can average another 20 plus points a game average? Take a look here and observe some of the "most consecutive" NFL records: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ing_touchdowns Most consecutive seasons, 30+ passing touchdowns: 8, Drew Brees, 2008–2015 Most consecutive home games with 1+ passing touchdowns: 54, Drew Brees, 2009–present Most consecutive games, 1+ passing touchdowns: 54, Drew Brees, 2009–2012[1]: BTW Did you know that Drew Brees second streak starting in 2012 ran another 45 games ending last November? So literally in the last 105 games there have only been two where he did not throw a TD pass? Brees led the league in passing last year. And he only played 15 games. If he had actually been healthy for the 2nd half of the Tampa game and played in the Carolina game it would have been a 5th 5000 yard passing season. A 5th where no other QB in history has more than 1. Now I know that the offense is more than about Brees. However, you have a decade of consistency to rely on all the way up to game 16 of last season. So as I started with, there's no evidence that the offense will regress. In fact an improved defense will help the offense too. With more balance and less pressure to come from behind all the time, signs point to progress not regress. SFIAH
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07-18-2016, 11:16 AM	#13
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,733	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com Top five offense and a top ten defense is not impossible. Improbable but not impossible........I'm an optimist. We've come out of nowhere a couple of times and had good defenses. I think we can do it again.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com Day by day we're getting closer YEAH!!!!!!

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,646	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com In my opinion the only "surprise" would be to finish 2016 with less than 10 wins. We will again finish with a top 5 offense, and every indication is we'll likely be a middle of the pack defense. Thats 10 wins minimum. SaintFanInATLHELL and Rugby Saint II like this.

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We have already had a major overhaul. Have you been asleep the last couple of years? We have replaced virtually 90% of our roster. Originally Posted by Danno In my opinion the only "surprise" would be to finish 2016 with less than 10 wins. We will again finish with a top 5 offense, and every indication is we'll likely be a middle of the pack defense. Thats 10 wins minimum.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com It really depends on so many factors. We have the building blocks though and we are working our way back. I am telling you I still have a feeling that our offense could be as good as '11. Give me a D that is 20th and we will make the playoffs. I will wait to see how the D sounds in camp vs the O, etc. Just have to see the product on the field

07-20-2016, 02:52 PM	#20
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,733	Re: Training camp preview: Will Saints surprise? - NFL.com Originally Posted by Danno I'd like this twice if I could. In my opinion... 7 wins would be a disaster, 8 wins would be a disappointing, 9 wins would be slightly under-achieving 10 wins is about expected, 11 wins would be slightly over-achieving 12 wins would not be a total shock. Under 8 or over 12 would very much surprise me. Once again Danno. You put it in perfect perspective going into training camp! I'd like it twice if I could.

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