2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games

AsylumGuido · 02-07-2017, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is why I shake my head when we trade two draft picks for one draft pick - we must value draft picks more!!!

https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/828679248839798785

That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency.

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2017, 08:28 AM

A couple more weeks to bask in the euphoric Failclown collapse and then the Combine will be here and we can get back to focusing on fixing our sub-.500 team.

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2017, 08:48 AM

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/828973945474908165

Don't know about you guys, but I'm not really too impressed with "...the next Ray Lewis..."

The only two Florida guys I'm feeling have red flags, CB Jalen Tabor (character, straight-line speed) and LB Alex (Thor) Anzalone (injury-prone, quickness)...

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency.

Well, not against what I'm saying as the emphasis I wanted noted was on the importance of those 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round picks...

Last year we traded a 3 and a 4 for Bell in round 2 despite having a roadblock for him an expensive FA investment in Byrd...

I wouldn't have made that move for Bell; I would've waited to see if he would have been there in Round 3 and then taken him...

And we wouldn't have had to use two more picks to get a round 4 to take Onyemata...

Those lesser picks usually are guys that have the goods, but don't haven't developed to be able to contribute at a min. NFL level, yet...

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2017, 08:34 PM

Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site...

NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE | NFL | Sporting News

— I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates.

One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning.

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site...

NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE | NFL | Sporting News

— I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates.

One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning.

I've been trying to contact some friends in that area to find out if that's a red herring to make him drop or legit criticism...

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 11:31 PM

2017 New Orleans Saints Draft Prospects, by round, with favorites high-lighted (Updated 2017/02/07)

No. 11 (R1, 11) LB Reuben Foster, ‘Bama; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 236 lbs.
No. 11 (R1, 11) CB Marshon Lattimore, Ohio St; Height: 6' 0"; Weight: 195 lbs.
No. 11 (R1, 11) TE O.J. Howard, ‘Bama; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 245 lbs.
No. 11 (R1, 11) CB Marlon Humphrey, ‘Bama; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 196 lbs.
No. 11 (R1, 11) RT Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 316 lbs.

No. 44 (R2, 10) LB T.J. Watt, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 245 lbs.
No. 44 (R2, 10) WR Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 198 lbs.
No. 44 (R2, 10) DE Tarell Basham, Ohio; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 262 lbs.
No. 44 (R2, 10) OL Ethan Pocic, LSU; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 309 lbs.
No. 44 (R2, 10) DE Jordan Willis, Kansas St; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 260 lbs.

No. 74 (R3, 12) DE Tanoh Kpassagnon, Villanova; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 280 lbs.
No. 74 (R3, 12) CB Adoree’ Jackson, USC; Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lbs.
No. 74 (R3, 12) OG Nico Siragusa, San Diego St; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 330 lbs.
No. 74 (R3, 12) CB Rasul Douglas, West Virginia; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 208 lbs.
No. 74 (R3, 12) OG Erik Magnuson, Michigan; Height 6’ 4”, Weight 305 lbs.

No. 109 (R4, 11) LB Elijah Lee, Kansas St; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 225 lbs.
No. 109 (R4, 11) QB Nathan Peterman, Pitt; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 225 lbs.
No. 109 (R4, 11) LB Alex Anzalone, Florida; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 245 lbs. (+)
No. 109 (R4, 11) RB Marlon Mack, South Florida; Height: 5’ 11”, Weight: 205 lbs.
No. 109 (R4, 11) RT Zach Banner, USC; Height: 6' 8", Weight: 360 lbs.

No. 150 (R5, 12) Traded to the Washington Redskins
No. 150 (R5, 12) TE Adam Shaheen, Ashland; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 277 lbs.
No. 150 (R5, 12) DT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 320 lbs. (+)
No. 150 (R5, 12) DE Trey Hendrickson, Florida Atlantic; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 255 lbs.
No. 150 (R5, 12) FB James Connor, Pitt; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 245 lbs. (+)
No. 150 (R5, 12) DE Nazair Jones, North Carolina; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 295 lbs.

No. 185 (R6, 10) C Jon Toth, Kentucky; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 310 lbs.
No. 185 (R6, 10) TE Jeremy Sprinkle, Arkansas; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 256 lbs.
No. 185 (R6, 10) RB Elijah McGuire, UL-Lafayette; Height: 5’ 9”, Weight: 215 lbs.
No. 185 (R6, 10) LB Dylan Donahue West Georgia; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 245 lbs.
No. 185 (R6, 10) TE Eric Saubert, Drake; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 247 lbs.

No. 233 (R7, 11) CB Ezra Robinson, Tennessee St/Michigan St; Height: 5’ 11”, Weight: 185 lbs.
No. 233 (R7, 11) RG Sean Harlow, Oregon St; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 310 lbs.
No. 233 (R7, 11) SS Dallas Lloyd, Stanford; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 205 lbs.
No. 233 (R7, 11) LB Ben Boulware, Clemson; Height: 6’ 0”, Weight: 235 lbs.
No. 233 (R7, 11) DE Deatrich Wise Jr., Arkansas; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 275 lbs.

ChrisXVI · 02-08-2017, 10:05 AM

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AsylumGuido · 02-08-2017, 10:09 AM

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02-07-2017, 08:22 AM	#61
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by jeanpierre This is why I shake my head when we trade two draft picks for one draft pick - we must value draft picks more!!! https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/828679248839798785 That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency.

02-07-2017, 08:28 AM	#62
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games A couple more weeks to bask in the euphoric Failclown collapse and then the Combine will be here and we can get back to focusing on fixing our sub-.500 team.

02-07-2017, 08:48 AM	#63
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by ChrisXVI https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/828973945474908165 Twitter Don't know about you guys, but I'm not really too impressed with "...the next Ray Lewis..." The only two Florida guys I'm feeling have red flags, CB Jalen Tabor (character, straight-line speed) and LB Alex (Thor) Anzalone (injury-prone, quickness)...
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02-07-2017, 02:26 PM	#65
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency. Well, not against what I'm saying as the emphasis I wanted noted was on the importance of those 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round picks... Last year we traded a 3 and a 4 for Bell in round 2 despite having a roadblock for him an expensive FA investment in Byrd... I wouldn't have made that move for Bell; I would've waited to see if he would have been there in Round 3 and then taken him... And we wouldn't have had to use two more picks to get a round 4 to take Onyemata... Those lesser picks usually are guys that have the goods, but don't haven't developed to be able to contribute at a min. NFL level, yet... MarchingOn likes this.
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02-07-2017, 08:34 PM	#66
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site... NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE \| NFL \| Sporting News — I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates. One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning. hagan714 and Sarik like this.
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02-07-2017, 10:49 PM	#67
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site... NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE \| NFL \| Sporting News — I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates. One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning. *I've been trying to contact some friends in that area to find out if that's a red herring to make him drop or legit criticism...*

02-07-2017, 11:31 PM	#68
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft Prospects, by round, with favorites high-lighted (Updated 2017/02/07) No. 11 (R1, 11) LB Reuben Foster, ‘Bama; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 236 lbs. No. 11 (R1, 11) CB Marshon Lattimore, Ohio St; Height: 6' 0"; Weight: 195 lbs. No. 11 (R1, 11) TE O.J. Howard, ‘Bama; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 245 lbs. No. 11 (R1, 11) CB Marlon Humphrey, ‘Bama; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 196 lbs. No. 11 (R1, 11) RT Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 316 lbs. No. 44 (R2, 10) LB T.J. Watt, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 245 lbs. No. 44 (R2, 10) WR Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 198 lbs. No. 44 (R2, 10) DE Tarell Basham, Ohio; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 262 lbs. No. 44 (R2, 10) OL Ethan Pocic, LSU; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 309 lbs. No. 44 (R2, 10) DE Jordan Willis, Kansas St; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 260 lbs. No. 74 (R3, 12) DE Tanoh Kpassagnon, Villanova; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 280 lbs. No. 74 (R3, 12) CB Adoree’ Jackson, USC; Height: 5' 11", Weight: 185 lbs. No. 74 (R3, 12) OG Nico Siragusa, San Diego St; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 330 lbs. No. 74 (R3, 12) CB Rasul Douglas, West Virginia; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 208 lbs. No. 74 (R3, 12) OG Erik Magnuson, Michigan; Height 6’ 4”, Weight 305 lbs. No. 109 (R4, 11) LB Elijah Lee, Kansas St; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 225 lbs. No. 109 (R4, 11) QB Nathan Peterman, Pitt; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 225 lbs. No. 109 (R4, 11) LB Alex Anzalone, Florida; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 245 lbs. (+) No. 109 (R4, 11) RB Marlon Mack, South Florida; Height: 5’ 11”, Weight: 205 lbs. No. 109 (R4, 11) RT Zach Banner, USC; Height: 6' 8", Weight: 360 lbs. No. 150 (R5, 12) Traded to the Washington Redskins No. 150 (R5, 12) TE Adam Shaheen, Ashland; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 277 lbs. No. 150 (R5, 12) DT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 320 lbs. (+) No. 150 (R5, 12) DE Trey Hendrickson, Florida Atlantic; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 255 lbs. No. 150 (R5, 12) FB James Connor, Pitt; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 245 lbs. (+) No. 150 (R5, 12) DE Nazair Jones, North Carolina; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 295 lbs. No. 185 (R6, 10) C Jon Toth, Kentucky; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 310 lbs. No. 185 (R6, 10) TE Jeremy Sprinkle, Arkansas; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 256 lbs. No. 185 (R6, 10) RB Elijah McGuire, UL-Lafayette; Height: 5’ 9”, Weight: 215 lbs. No. 185 (R6, 10) LB Dylan Donahue West Georgia; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 245 lbs. No. 185 (R6, 10) TE Eric Saubert, Drake; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 247 lbs. No. 233 (R7, 11) CB Ezra Robinson, Tennessee St/Michigan St; Height: 5’ 11”, Weight: 185 lbs. No. 233 (R7, 11) RG Sean Harlow, Oregon St; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 310 lbs. No. 233 (R7, 11) SS Dallas Lloyd, Stanford; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 205 lbs. No. 233 (R7, 11) LB Ben Boulware, Clemson; Height: 6’ 0”, Weight: 235 lbs. No. 233 (R7, 11) DE Deatrich Wise Jr., Arkansas; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 275 lbs. hagan714 likes this.
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