2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games

AsylumGuido · 02-07-2017, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is why I shake my head when we trade two draft picks for one draft pick - we must value draft picks more!!!

https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/828679248839798785

That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency.

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency.

Well, not against what I'm saying as the emphasis I wanted noted was on the importance of those 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round picks...

Last year we traded a 3 and a 4 for Bell in round 2 despite having a roadblock for him an expensive FA investment in Byrd...

I wouldn't have made that move for Bell; I would've waited to see if he would have been there in Round 3 and then taken him...

And we wouldn't have had to use two more picks to get a round 4 to take Onyemata...

Those lesser picks usually are guys that have the goods, but don't haven't developed to be able to contribute at a min. NFL level, yet...

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2017, 08:28 AM

A couple more weeks to bask in the euphoric Failclown collapse and then the Combine will be here and we can get back to focusing on fixing our sub-.500 team.

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2017, 08:48 AM

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/828973945474908165

Don't know about you guys, but I'm not really too impressed with "...the next Ray Lewis..."

The only two Florida guys I'm feeling have red flags, CB Jalen Tabor (character, straight-line speed) and LB Alex (Thor) Anzalone (injury-prone, quickness)...

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2017, 08:34 PM

Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site...

NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE | NFL | Sporting News

— I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates.

One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning.

jeanpierre · 02-07-2017, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site...

NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE | NFL | Sporting News

— I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates.

One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning.

I've been trying to contact some friends in that area to find out if that's a red herring to make him drop or legit criticism...

Sarik · 02-08-2017, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site...

NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE | NFL | Sporting News

— I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates.

One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning.

from every report i've seen, it seems like thats the case for him. Huge Motivational issues...takes plays off. We all have seen what happens when a player doesn't "love" football...Justin Gilbert.

jeanpierre · 02-08-2017, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sarik

from every report i've seen, it seems like thats the case for him. Huge Motivational issues...takes plays off. We all have seen what happens when a player doesn't "love" football...Justin Gilbert.

Well, if I'm a Saints personnel man, I want to do some in-depth background work and have a couple of interviews, maybe break bread and find out what's going on with him...

Really like Andrus Peat, but we let Marcus Peters go by us to the Chiefs because we didn't really find out, understand his issues...

Ireland's first season with us, so the scouts still remaining bufu'ed that one...

dizzle88 · 02-08-2017, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, if I'm a Saints personnel man, I want to do some in-depth background work and have a couple of interviews, maybe break bread and find out what's going on with him...

Really like Andrus Peat, but we let Marcus Peters go by us to the Chiefs because we didn't really find out, understand his issues...

We've missed multiple players that fell right into our laps - Marcus Peters, Kwon Alexander, Deion Jones to name a few.

02-07-2017, 08:22 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by jeanpierre This is why I shake my head when we trade two draft picks for one draft pick - we must value draft picks more!!! https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/828679248839798785 That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency.

02-07-2017, 02:26 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That kind of goes AGAINST what you are saying. Only three of those six were drafted at all. It actually demonstrates what New England can do with less draft picks. Honestly, they haven't really had a great recent history with high draft picks. The do, however, knock it out of the park in free agency. Well, not against what I'm saying as the emphasis I wanted noted was on the importance of those 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round picks... Last year we traded a 3 and a 4 for Bell in round 2 despite having a roadblock for him an expensive FA investment in Byrd... I wouldn't have made that move for Bell; I would've waited to see if he would have been there in Round 3 and then taken him... And we wouldn't have had to use two more picks to get a round 4 to take Onyemata... Those lesser picks usually are guys that have the goods, but don't haven't developed to be able to contribute at a min. NFL level, yet... MarchingOn likes this.
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02-07-2017, 08:28 AM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games A couple more weeks to bask in the euphoric Failclown collapse and then the Combine will be here and we can get back to focusing on fixing our sub-.500 team.

02-07-2017, 08:48 AM	#4
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by ChrisXVI https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/828973945474908165 Twitter Don't know about you guys, but I'm not really too impressed with "...the next Ray Lewis..." The only two Florida guys I'm feeling have red flags, CB Jalen Tabor (character, straight-line speed) and LB Alex (Thor) Anzalone (injury-prone, quickness)...
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02-07-2017, 08:34 PM	#6
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site... NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE \| NFL \| Sporting News — I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates. One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning. hagan714 and Sarik like this.
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02-07-2017, 10:49 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site... NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE \| NFL \| Sporting News — I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates. One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning. *I've been trying to contact some friends in that area to find out if that's a red herring to make him drop or legit criticism...*

02-08-2017, 03:14 PM	#8
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Found an interesting piece of info on Michigan State's Malik McDowell from this site... NFL draft rumors: Patrick Mahomes might be top QB; Lions want another TE \| NFL \| Sporting News — I won’t focus on Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon at this time, but another player with serious (though not domestic violence in nature) character concerns is Michigan State’s Malik McDowell. According to one person close to the program, McDowell has been a substantial motivational and attitude problem for his coaching staff since his freshman year. He has cussed out teammates and coaches on the practice field, and he left the team prematurely with an “injury” late in the season. He often went off-script from the defensive game plan, and while he looked fantastic in isolation, it did him no favors with the coaching staff and some of his teammates. One general manager told this person his team would pay McDowell's signing bonus if a team in his division drafted him in the first round. That last part is quite a hot take, but it’s notable in the sense that not only is McDowell concerning for teams, but teams are expecting him to be more of a cancer than a benefit. He reminds of Sheldon Richardson coming out of Missouri, though Richardson’s teammate issues weren’t nearly as concerning. from every report i've seen, it seems like thats the case for him. Huge Motivational issues...takes plays off. We all have seen what happens when a player doesn't "love" football...Justin Gilbert.

02-08-2017, 04:11 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by Sarik from every report i've seen, it seems like thats the case for him. Huge Motivational issues...takes plays off. We all have seen what happens when a player doesn't "love" football...Justin Gilbert. Well, if I'm a Saints personnel man, I want to do some in-depth background work and have a couple of interviews, maybe break bread and find out what's going on with him... Really like Andrus Peat, but we let Marcus Peters go by us to the Chiefs because we didn't really find out, understand his issues... Ireland's first season with us, so the scouts still remaining bufu'ed that one... dizzle88, ChrisXVI, Sarik and 1 others like this.
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02-08-2017, 05:14 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, if I'm a Saints personnel man, I want to do some in-depth background work and have a couple of interviews, maybe break bread and find out what's going on with him... Really like Andrus Peat, but we let Marcus Peters go by us to the Chiefs because we didn't really find out, understand his issues... We've missed multiple players that fell right into our laps - Marcus Peters, Kwon Alexander, Deion Jones to name a few.

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