Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick

falconhater · 04-13-2010, 02:09 PM

Not enough evidence just means the accused decided to not cooperate either due to payment or intimdation of public trial. The dud is an animal and predator and should be turned over to Mike Vick for termination in the most gruesome of fashions. I already hate the steelers this just fuels my disdain for them lets see;

Although Traded there is Santonio Holmes THUG
j Reed -Kicker --- Criminal
Ben Rapesomeberger-Qb/Rapist
looks like Pittsburg is the New Cincinatti

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-13-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the not guilty ruling is just language.....all it means is that we know you are innocent(thereby validating innocence)

Not guilty does not mean we know you are innocent. Not guilty means the prosecution has not proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

There have been trials where jury members have stated after the case that they believe a defendant committed the crime they were accused of, but the prosecution did not do a good enough job of overcoming the definition of reasonable doubt. Therefore they had to find not guilty (Tobias is right...they do not say you are innocent).

There have also been cases where a defendant was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on appeal because of mishandling or misrepresentation of evidence during the case. This can happen on a judge’s ruling and have nothing to do with a jury hearing the facts of a case. In neither one of these instances is the defendant innocent. But because of legal definitions they cannot be found guilty.

This also goes into why we have civil and criminal courts in our system. Civil courts do not have the same stringent requirements as criminal courts do. This is why a certain white bronco driving ex-NFL player was found not guilty in a legal trial, but in a civil trial was forced to pay millions in compensatory and punitive damages to the suvivors of two murder victims.

strato · 04-13-2010, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Not guilty does not mean we know you are innocent. Not guilty means the prosecution has not proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

There have been trials where jury members have stated after the case that they believe a defendant committed the crime they were accused of, but the prosecution did not do a good enough job of overcoming the definition of reasonable doubt. Therefore they had to find not guilty (Tobias is right...they do not say you are innocent).

There have also been cases where a defendant was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on appeal because of mishandling or misrepresentation of evidence during the case. This can happen on a judge’s ruling and have nothing to do with a jury hearing the facts of a case. In neither one of these instances is the defendant innocent. But because of legal definitions they cannot be found guilty.

This also goes into why we have civil and criminal courts in our system. Civil courts do not have the same stringent requirements as criminal courts do. This is why a certain white bronco driving ex-NFL player was found not guilty in a legal trial, but in a civil trial was forced to pay millions in compensatory and punitive damages to the suvivors of two murder victims.

Very True...

saintfan · 04-13-2010, 03:13 PM

double jeopardy anyone? LOL

saintfan · 04-13-2010, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

Not enough evidence just means the accused decided to not cooperate either due to payment or intimdation of public trial. The dud is an animal and predator and should be turned over to Mike Vick for termination in the most gruesome of fashions. I already hate the steelers this just fuels my disdain for them lets see;

Although Traded there is Santonio Holmes THUG
j Reed -Kicker --- Criminal
Ben Rapesomeberger-Qb/Rapist
looks like Pittsburg is the New Cincinatti

I think we should bring you up on hate crime charges and put you away. The evidence is in your name. You are guilty in the court of "My opinion is the only one that matters". I think you should get about 40 years. Case closed. Who is next to fool with the court of perception minus evidence? The judge (me) is in and I'm in a foul mood ... LMMFAO

saintfan · 04-13-2010, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Not guilty does not mean we know you are innocent. Not guilty means the prosecution has not proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

There have been trials where jury members have stated after the case that they believe a defendant committed the crime they were accused of, but the prosecution did not do a good enough job of overcoming the definition of reasonable doubt. Therefore they had to find not guilty (Tobias is right...they do not say you are innocent).

There have also been cases where a defendant was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on appeal because of mishandling or misrepresentation of evidence during the case. This can happen on a judge’s ruling and have nothing to do with a jury hearing the facts of a case. In neither one of these instances is the defendant innocent. But because of legal definitions they cannot be found guilty.

This also goes into why we have civil and criminal courts in our system. Civil courts do not have the same stringent requirements as criminal courts do. This is why a certain white bronco driving ex-NFL player was found not guilty in a legal trial, but in a civil trial was forced to pay millions in compensatory and punitive damages to the suvivors of two murder victims.

I was on such a jury. This guy beat the holy hell out of this other guy, but we did not award damages because they couldn't PROVE it...not beyond a reasonable doubt. Out system protect the innocent, and yes, it does allow guilty people to skate sometimes, but should anyone here ever be falsely accused (see falconhater) they'll be damned happy they're in an American court and not a Turkish one.

saintfan · 04-13-2010, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

Not enough evidence just means the accused decided to not cooperate either due to payment or intimdation of public trial.

No, it doesn't mean either of those things. It means "Not enough evidence", and anything else you dream up is an assumption.

ScottF · 04-13-2010, 03:36 PM

By all means we should execute a man because he was accused of a crime. Not by the authorities, but by a drunk college student at that.
Corporal punishment based on hearsay is the new law of the land.
Oh, throw in that you hate the Steelers and love Vick. Definitely fry him.

Do you actually read/believe your own asinine, sophmoric posts?

st thomas · 04-13-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by strato

I think this is Bens last chance...he messes up again and he wont walk so easy....wait..i forgot he's rich famous and has the money to buy people off..

perfect, give the little lady a blank check so i can go and get another huge signing bonus. what crime.

saintfan · 04-13-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

perfect, give the little lady a blank check so i can go and get another huge signing bonus. what crime.

If that were the case - and nobody here can say intelligently one way or the other - then what does that say about the 'little lady' who accepted (so graciously) the check - you know, the one that filed the initial charges? Hmmmm....

04-13-2010, 02:09 PM	#51
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Not enough evidence just means the accused decided to not cooperate either due to payment or intimdation of public trial. The dud is an animal and predator and should be turned over to Mike Vick for termination in the most gruesome of fashions. I already hate the steelers this just fuels my disdain for them lets see; Although Traded there is Santonio Holmes THUG j Reed -Kicker --- Criminal Ben Rapesomeberger-Qb/Rapist looks like Pittsburg is the New Cincinatti
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04-13-2010, 02:29 PM	#52
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by CantonLegend the not guilty ruling is just language.....all it means is that we know you are innocent(thereby validating innocence) Not guilty does not mean we know you are innocent. Not guilty means the prosecution has not proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There have been trials where jury members have stated after the case that they believe a defendant committed the crime they were accused of, but the prosecution did not do a good enough job of overcoming the definition of reasonable doubt. Therefore they had to find not guilty (Tobias is right...they do not say you are innocent). There have also been cases where a defendant was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on appeal because of mishandling or misrepresentation of evidence during the case. This can happen on a judge’s ruling and have nothing to do with a jury hearing the facts of a case. In neither one of these instances is the defendant innocent. But because of legal definitions they cannot be found guilty. This also goes into why we have civil and criminal courts in our system. Civil courts do not have the same stringent requirements as criminal courts do. This is why a certain white bronco driving ex-NFL player was found not guilty in a legal trial, but in a civil trial was forced to pay millions in compensatory and punitive damages to the suvivors of two murder victims.
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04-13-2010, 02:36 PM	#53
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Not guilty does not mean we know you are innocent. Not guilty means the prosecution has not proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There have been trials where jury members have stated after the case that they believe a defendant committed the crime they were accused of, but the prosecution did not do a good enough job of overcoming the definition of reasonable doubt. Therefore they had to find not guilty (Tobias is right...they do not say you are innocent). There have also been cases where a defendant was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on appeal because of mishandling or misrepresentation of evidence during the case. This can happen on a judge’s ruling and have nothing to do with a jury hearing the facts of a case. In neither one of these instances is the defendant innocent. But because of legal definitions they cannot be found guilty. This also goes into why we have civil and criminal courts in our system. Civil courts do not have the same stringent requirements as criminal courts do. This is why a certain white bronco driving ex-NFL player was found not guilty in a legal trial, but in a civil trial was forced to pay millions in compensatory and punitive damages to the suvivors of two murder victims. Very True...

04-13-2010, 03:13 PM	#54
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick double jeopardy anyone? LOL

04-13-2010, 03:18 PM	#55
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater Not enough evidence just means the accused decided to not cooperate either due to payment or intimdation of public trial. The dud is an animal and predator and should be turned over to Mike Vick for termination in the most gruesome of fashions. I already hate the steelers this just fuels my disdain for them lets see; Although Traded there is Santonio Holmes THUG j Reed -Kicker --- Criminal Ben Rapesomeberger-Qb/Rapist looks like Pittsburg is the New Cincinatti I think we should bring you up on hate crime charges and put you away. The evidence is in your name. You are guilty in the court of "My opinion is the only one that matters". I think you should get about 40 years. Case closed. Who is next to fool with the court of perception minus evidence? The judge (me) is in and I'm in a foul mood ... LMMFAO

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04-13-2010, 03:22 PM	#56
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Not guilty does not mean we know you are innocent. Not guilty means the prosecution has not proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There have been trials where jury members have stated after the case that they believe a defendant committed the crime they were accused of, but the prosecution did not do a good enough job of overcoming the definition of reasonable doubt. Therefore they had to find not guilty (Tobias is right...they do not say you are innocent). There have also been cases where a defendant was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on appeal because of mishandling or misrepresentation of evidence during the case. This can happen on a judge’s ruling and have nothing to do with a jury hearing the facts of a case. In neither one of these instances is the defendant innocent. But because of legal definitions they cannot be found guilty. This also goes into why we have civil and criminal courts in our system. Civil courts do not have the same stringent requirements as criminal courts do. This is why a certain white bronco driving ex-NFL player was found not guilty in a legal trial, but in a civil trial was forced to pay millions in compensatory and punitive damages to the suvivors of two murder victims. I was on such a jury. This guy beat the holy hell out of this other guy, but we did not award damages because they couldn't PROVE it...not beyond a reasonable doubt. Out system protect the innocent, and yes, it does allow guilty people to skate sometimes, but should anyone here ever be falsely accused (see falconhater) they'll be damned happy they're in an American court and not a Turkish one.

04-13-2010, 03:23 PM	#57
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater Not enough evidence just means the accused decided to not cooperate either due to payment or intimdation of public trial. No, it doesn't mean either of those things. It means "Not enough evidence", and anything else you dream up is an assumption.

04-13-2010, 03:36 PM	#58
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick By all means we should execute a man because he was accused of a crime. Not by the authorities, but by a drunk college student at that. Corporal punishment based on hearsay is the new law of the land. Oh, throw in that you hate the Steelers and love Vick. Definitely fry him. Do you actually read/believe your own asinine, sophmoric posts?

04-13-2010, 04:11 PM	#59
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by strato I think this is Bens last chance...he messes up again and he wont walk so easy....wait..i forgot he's rich famous and has the money to buy people off.. perfect, give the little lady a blank check so i can go and get another huge signing bonus. what crime.

04-13-2010, 04:21 PM	#60
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by st thomas perfect, give the little lady a blank check so i can go and get another huge signing bonus. what crime. If that were the case - and nobody here can say intelligently one way or the other - then what does that say about the 'little lady' who accepted (so graciously) the check - you know, the one that filed the initial charges? Hmmmm....