Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick

saintfan · 04-13-2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by strato

I was framed

saintsfan1976 · 04-14-2010, 08:52 AM

....talk about bad tennis.

Did anyone notice that Ben has quit football and joined the Tony Hawk/Pantera Skate or Die World Tour???

saintfan · 04-15-2010, 01:56 PM

falconhater · 04-15-2010, 02:08 PM

I find solace in the fact that the league and or the Steelers agree with me Rapelenberger will be suspended and possibly traded away from the steelers to fight for a job elsewhere disgraced as he should be. Talk "Language" al you want he WILL PAY

saintfan · 04-15-2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

I find solace in the fact that the league and or the Steelers agree with me Rapelenberger will be suspended and possibly traded away from the steelers to fight for a job elsewhere disgraced as he should be. Talk "Language" al you want he WILL PAY

Man, you're so off base it's difficult to express it. What the league does has precisely nothing to do with what the legal system does. Get yourself educated dude. You're embarrassing yourself.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-15-2010, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Man, you're so off base it's difficult to express it. What the league does has precisely nothing to do with what the legal system does. Get yourself educated dude. You're embarrassing yourself.

Why are you so hung up on your interpretation of our legal system? At this point the league and team are looking at and talking to him very closely. He could...stress could be suspended or traded because of his repeated actions. I'm watching news now and more is coming out about the investigation right now. Hater has a right to feel like he does and you inferring he is dumb is kinda silly, because at this point he still may face discipline.

saintfan · 04-15-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Why are you so hung up on your interpretation of our legal system? At this point the league and team are looking at and talking to him very closely. He could...stress could be suspended or traded because of his repeated actions. I'm watching news now and more is coming out about the investigation right now. Hater has a right to feel like he does and you inferring he is dumb is kinda silly, because at this point he still may face discipline.

I will infer the same about you if you agree with him. What he's saying makes no sense. The league can very well 'legislate morality' among the players. Your employer can require you to shave, for example. It's two different things, completely, and entirely. Too bad for you two if you can't see that.

It's not MY interpretation it is the interpretation of the SUPREME COURT, which I'll be happy to quote for you - or you can just Google it for yourself if you'd like to understand completely the point I'm making.

Being suspended or traded has what, exactly, to do with this conversation about our legal system? Oh yeah...nothing.

And there is nothing right at all about feeling the way he feels, other that the fact that he has a right to feel that way, misguided as he may be, unless of course you'd like to be convicted of a crime and have your life ruined while the person accusing/convicting you can't prove the allegations against you.

Good GOD people.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-15-2010, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

It's not MY interpretation it is the interpretation of the SUPREME COURT, which I'll be happy to quote for you - or you can just Google it for yourself if you'd like to understand completely the point I'm making.

I looked this up Saintsfan:

"Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States and In re Winship.
"

So your raging on about semantics neglects to mention the word you keep using isn't even in the constitution.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-15-2010, 05:18 PM

Dude, that is my exact point. Try reading what other people say with your mind and eyes open instead of guessing at what people don't understand and trying to come up with a clever response. Hater's most recent comment did not mention the legal system at all. You brought it up in response and mentioned how off base he was. Now you come back and say they have nothing to do with each other. I agree...too bad you can't see that! That's why i asked why the heck you brought it up. It has nothing to do with his comment! Quit trying to make others look dumb by shaking your head at what you think they don't undersrtand and stay on point if you can. I ask again, why do you go back to the legal thing (and then go off on how it is seperate than the league regulating morals) when Hater's point was about the league (not the courts) going after him in the first place. You are the one all over the place with your arguments.

And as for the supreme court backing you up, well all court systems back me up, because in a trial, the verdicts are guilty or not guilty.....never is the verdict innocent. Look it up.

saintfan · 04-15-2010, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Dude, that is my exact point. Try reading what other people say with your mind and eyes open instead of guessing at what people don't understand and trying to come up with a clever response. Hater's most recent comment did not mention the legal system at all. You brought it up in response and mentioned how off base he was. Now you come back and say they have nothing to do with each other. I agree...too bad you can't see that! That's why i asked why the heck you brought it up. It has nothing to do with his comment! Quit trying to make others look dumb by shaking your head at what you think they don't undersrtand and stay on point if you can. I ask again, why do you go back to the legal thing (and then go off on how it is seperate than the league regulating morals) when Hater's point was about the league (not the courts) going after him in the first place. You are the one all over the place with your arguments.

And as for the supreme court backing you up, well all court systems back me up, because in a trial, the verdicts are guilty or not guilty.....never is the verdict innocent. Look it up.

Because 'the legal thing' is the topic of discussion. Have you read the entire thread? The issue is that there are some (you and falconhater for sure it would appear) that are ready to drop the hammer on Ben and wish some pretty horrible things on him based on nothing more than your own assessment of the situation and the word of 2 or 3 admittedly far-past-drunk college girls who made statements to the police, some of which can't be deciphered because they were beyond wasted when the wrote it! My point, as if you didn't know, is that those kinds of things went out with witch hunts, but you boys have at it - and pray you're never falsely accused right? LOL

Ben is stupid. On that I think we all agree, but the 'hang 'em high' attitude went out with witch hunts in the 1600's. You two guys should get hip with the program.

04-13-2010, 04:27 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by strato I was framed YouTube- Chris Knight - Framed

04-14-2010, 08:52 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,991 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick ....talk about bad tennis. Did anyone notice that Ben has quit football and joined the Tony Hawk/Pantera Skate or Die World Tour???

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falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick I find solace in the fact that the league and or the Steelers agree with me Rapelenberger will be suspended and possibly traded away from the steelers to fight for a job elsewhere disgraced as he should be. Talk "Language" al you want he WILL PAY
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04-15-2010, 02:45 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater I find solace in the fact that the league and or the Steelers agree with me Rapelenberger will be suspended and possibly traded away from the steelers to fight for a job elsewhere disgraced as he should be. Talk "Language" al you want he WILL PAY Man, you're so off base it's difficult to express it. What the league does has precisely nothing to do with what the legal system does. Get yourself educated dude. You're embarrassing yourself.

04-15-2010, 03:25 PM	#6
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by saintfan Man, you're so off base it's difficult to express it. What the league does has precisely nothing to do with what the legal system does. Get yourself educated dude. You're embarrassing yourself. Why are you so hung up on your interpretation of our legal system? At this point the league and team are looking at and talking to him very closely. He could...stress could be suspended or traded because of his repeated actions. I'm watching news now and more is coming out about the investigation right now. Hater has a right to feel like he does and you inferring he is dumb is kinda silly, because at this point he still may face discipline.
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04-15-2010, 03:44 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Why are you so hung up on your interpretation of our legal system? At this point the league and team are looking at and talking to him very closely. He could...stress could be suspended or traded because of his repeated actions. I'm watching news now and more is coming out about the investigation right now. Hater has a right to feel like he does and you inferring he is dumb is kinda silly, because at this point he still may face discipline. I will infer the same about you if you agree with him. What he's saying makes no sense. The league can very well 'legislate morality' among the players. Your employer can require you to shave, for example. It's two different things, completely, and entirely. Too bad for you two if you can't see that. It's not MY interpretation it is the interpretation of the SUPREME COURT, which I'll be happy to quote for you - or you can just Google it for yourself if you'd like to understand completely the point I'm making. Being suspended or traded has what, exactly, to do with this conversation about our legal system? Oh yeah...nothing. And there is nothing right at all about feeling the way he feels, other that the fact that he has a right to feel that way, misguided as he may be, unless of course you'd like to be convicted of a crime and have your life ruined while the person accusing/convicting you can't prove the allegations against you. Good GOD people.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 04-15-2010 at 03:47 PM..

04-15-2010, 05:28 PM	#8
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by saintfan It's not MY interpretation it is the interpretation of the SUPREME COURT, which I'll be happy to quote for you - or you can just Google it for yourself if you'd like to understand completely the point I'm making. I looked this up Saintsfan: "Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States and In re Winship. " So your raging on about semantics neglects to mention the word you keep using isn't even in the constitution.
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04-15-2010, 05:18 PM	#9
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Dude, that is my exact point. Try reading what other people say with your mind and eyes open instead of guessing at what people don't understand and trying to come up with a clever response. Hater's most recent comment did not mention the legal system at all. You brought it up in response and mentioned how off base he was. Now you come back and say they have nothing to do with each other. I agree...too bad you can't see that! That's why i asked why the heck you brought it up. It has nothing to do with his comment! Quit trying to make others look dumb by shaking your head at what you think they don't undersrtand and stay on point if you can. I ask again, why do you go back to the legal thing (and then go off on how it is seperate than the league regulating morals) when Hater's point was about the league (not the courts) going after him in the first place. You are the one all over the place with your arguments. And as for the supreme court backing you up, well all court systems back me up, because in a trial, the verdicts are guilty or not guilty.....never is the verdict innocent. Look it up.
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446

04-15-2010, 06:27 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Dude, that is my exact point. Try reading what other people say with your mind and eyes open instead of guessing at what people don't understand and trying to come up with a clever response. Hater's most recent comment did not mention the legal system at all. You brought it up in response and mentioned how off base he was. Now you come back and say they have nothing to do with each other. I agree...too bad you can't see that! That's why i asked why the heck you brought it up. It has nothing to do with his comment! Quit trying to make others look dumb by shaking your head at what you think they don't undersrtand and stay on point if you can. I ask again, why do you go back to the legal thing (and then go off on how it is seperate than the league regulating morals) when Hater's point was about the league (not the courts) going after him in the first place. You are the one all over the place with your arguments. And as for the supreme court backing you up, well all court systems back me up, because in a trial, the verdicts are guilty or not guilty.....never is the verdict innocent. Look it up. Because 'the legal thing' is the topic of discussion. Have you read the entire thread? The issue is that there are some (you and falconhater for sure it would appear) that are ready to drop the hammer on Ben and wish some pretty horrible things on him based on nothing more than your own assessment of the situation and the word of 2 or 3 admittedly far-past-drunk college girls who made statements to the police, some of which can't be deciphered because they were beyond wasted when the wrote it! My point, as if you didn't know, is that those kinds of things went out with witch hunts, but you boys have at it - and pray you're never falsely accused right? LOL Ben is stupid. On that I think we all agree, but the 'hang 'em high' attitude went out with witch hunts in the 1600's. You two guys should get hip with the program.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 04-15-2010 at 06:40 PM..