Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick

falconhater · 04-16-2010, 10:01 AM

Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice.

Accuser says Roethlisberger's 'bodyguards' complicit in alleged rape

After reading this I can't see why charges of some kind were not filed there is enough there in the eyse of multiple witnesses to charge. I understand that eye witness testimony is suspect but this woman didnt try to sue she went to the cops the night it happened WHy. Now when she does sue she will be labeled as a gold digger looking to get paid. Truth is the system failed her. ANd I still dont understand how the Video got Erased cops with ben Cops in Georgia... cover up???

strato · 04-16-2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by falconhater

Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice.

Dude just give it up...what comes around goes around..If Ben is guilty he will answer for it ..and Karma is a *****...

saintfan · 04-16-2010, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Dude just give it up...what comes around goes around..If Ben is guilty he will answer for it ..and Karma is a *****...

...and that's about the best way to approach it - in fact, minus any usable evidence that's really all that can be done. If Ben has a problem it will surface and eventually he will pay. As it stands now he is "Innocent".

saintfan · 04-16-2010, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice.

Accuser says Roethlisberger's 'bodyguards' complicit in alleged rape

After reading this I can't see why charges of some kind were not filed there is enough there in the eyse of multiple witnesses to charge. I understand that eye witness testimony is suspect but this woman didnt try to sue she went to the cops the night it happened WHy. Now when she does sue she will be labeled as a gold digger looking to get paid. Truth is the system failed her. ANd I still dont understand how the Video got Erased cops with ben Cops in Georgia... cover up???

Quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging, and you my friend should put the shovel down. NOBODY here is defending Ben. Not me. Not Canton. Nobody. Not in the way you'd like to thing. You're wasting your time with all the rhetoric. Those of us that differ with you in opinion differ with you because you are guilty of forgetting a fundamental part of our justice system. And you are absolutely guilty, and this thread is surely evidence of that.

Is it possible these women made it up? Yes. It is possible they got drunk and woke up the next morning pretty upset with their behavior? Yes. Is it possible Ben was a target? Yes. Is it possible that women have falsely accused men of similar crimes? Yes (see the most recent allegations against Warren Sapp and Michael Irvin). All these things are possible. Unless you've figured out the Vulcan mind meld there's no way in hell you can know definitively one way or the other. So you can rail on and on, but you should really just stop digging.

Is it possible Ben is a predator? Yes. It is possible he slipped that girl a few extra drinks and took advantage of her? Yes. Is it possible his body guards helped to facilitate the situation? Yes. Is there any way for you to know this as fact, considering you don't even have all the evidence the DA has - the same DA that says there's not enough to charge? Not one iota of a chance in hell is that possible, saving the Vulcan mind meld method.

The point here is that you want to circumvent the system and convict the man based on solely on your own perception of the events - the same events nobody including you can know completely. That's not going to happen in this country. You may very well be forced to get over it.

The reason you can't see why no charges have been filed is because you can't see past your own bias, which is key. This particular situation seems to hit you pretty close to home, and I'm confess I wonder why...

CantonLegend · 04-16-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging, and you my friend should put the shovel down. NOBODY here is defending Ben. Not me. Not Canton. Nobody. Not in the way you'd like to thing. You're wasting your time with all the rhetoric. Those of us that differ with you in opinion differ with you because you are guilty of forgetting a fundamental part of our justice system. And you are absolutely guilty, and this thread is surely evidence of that.

i quit 4 pages ago

i'll just sit in the background and laugh

strato · 04-16-2010, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i quit 4 pages ago

i'll just sit in the background and laugh

Quitter...lol

falconhater · 04-16-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Quitter...lol

If Ben woulda Quit we wouldnt be in this mess... I might sue him myself...LOL

saintfan · 04-16-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

If Ben woulda Quit we wouldnt be in this mess... I might sue him myself...LOL

Zooey would have to be drunk, bar hopping with a man accused of sexual misconduct for that to happen. I don't think that's likely to happen, but you may as well go ahead and convict her of something since, well, that appears to be the way you operate

saintfan · 04-16-2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

If Ben woulda Quit we wouldnt be in this mess... I might sue him myself...LOL

And what shall you sue him for. Seems you don't really have a reason to sue Ben...oh, wait, you don't think you need a reason. My bad. I totally forgot that. LMAO

falconhater · 04-16-2010, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

And what shall you sue him for. Seems you don't really have a reason to sue Ben...oh, wait, you don't think you need a reason. My bad. I totally forgot that. LMAO

he caused me to get caught up in a discussion with you!!! for which I feel less inteligent and emotionally stressed!!! LOL

( Just joking dude dont be so serious)

04-16-2010, 10:01 AM	#1
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice. Accuser says Roethlisberger's 'bodyguards' complicit in alleged rape After reading this I can't see why charges of some kind were not filed there is enough there in the eyse of multiple witnesses to charge. I understand that eye witness testimony is suspect but this woman didnt try to sue she went to the cops the night it happened WHy. Now when she does sue she will be labeled as a gold digger looking to get paid. Truth is the system failed her. ANd I still dont understand how the Video got Erased cops with ben Cops in Georgia... cover up???
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04-16-2010, 10:03 AM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice. Dude just give it up...what comes around goes around..If Ben is guilty he will answer for it ..and Karma is a *****...

04-16-2010, 12:15 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by strato Dude just give it up...what comes around goes around..If Ben is guilty he will answer for it ..and Karma is a *****... ...and that's about the best way to approach it - in fact, minus any usable evidence that's really all that can be done. If Ben has a problem it will surface and eventually he will pay. As it stands now he is "Innocent".

04-16-2010, 12:27 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice. Accuser says Roethlisberger's 'bodyguards' complicit in alleged rape After reading this I can't see why charges of some kind were not filed there is enough there in the eyse of multiple witnesses to charge. I understand that eye witness testimony is suspect but this woman didnt try to sue she went to the cops the night it happened WHy. Now when she does sue she will be labeled as a gold digger looking to get paid. Truth is the system failed her. ANd I still dont understand how the Video got Erased cops with ben Cops in Georgia... cover up??? Quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging, and you my friend should put the shovel down. NOBODY here is defending Ben. Not me. Not Canton. Nobody. Not in the way you'd like to thing. You're wasting your time with all the rhetoric. Those of us that differ with you in opinion differ with you because you are guilty of forgetting a fundamental part of our justice system. And you are absolutely guilty, and this thread is surely evidence of that. Is it possible these women made it up? Yes. It is possible they got drunk and woke up the next morning pretty upset with their behavior? Yes. Is it possible Ben was a target? Yes. Is it possible that women have falsely accused men of similar crimes? Yes (see the most recent allegations against Warren Sapp and Michael Irvin). All these things are possible. Unless you've figured out the Vulcan mind meld there's no way in hell you can know definitively one way or the other. So you can rail on and on, but you should really just stop digging. Is it possible Ben is a predator? Yes. It is possible he slipped that girl a few extra drinks and took advantage of her? Yes. Is it possible his body guards helped to facilitate the situation? Yes. Is there any way for you to know this as fact, considering you don't even have all the evidence the DA has - the same DA that says there's not enough to charge? Not one iota of a chance in hell is that possible, saving the Vulcan mind meld method. The point here is that you want to circumvent the system and convict the man based on solely on your own perception of the events - the same events nobody including you can know completely. That's not going to happen in this country. You may very well be forced to get over it. The reason you can't see why no charges have been filed is because you can't see past your own bias, which is key. This particular situation seems to hit you pretty close to home, and I'm confess I wonder why...
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 04-16-2010 at 12:30 PM..

04-16-2010, 01:21 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by saintfan Quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging, and you my friend should put the shovel down. NOBODY here is defending Ben. Not me. Not Canton. Nobody. Not in the way you'd like to thing. You're wasting your time with all the rhetoric. Those of us that differ with you in opinion differ with you because you are guilty of forgetting a fundamental part of our justice system. And you are absolutely guilty, and this thread is surely evidence of that. i quit 4 pages ago i'll just sit in the background and laugh

04-16-2010, 01:23 PM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by CantonLegend i quit 4 pages ago i'll just sit in the background and laugh Quitter...lol

04-16-2010, 01:26 PM	#7
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by strato Quitter...lol If Ben woulda Quit we wouldnt be in this mess... I might sue him myself...LOL
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04-16-2010, 02:01 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater If Ben woulda Quit we wouldnt be in this mess... I might sue him myself...LOL Zooey would have to be drunk, bar hopping with a man accused of sexual misconduct for that to happen. I don't think that's likely to happen, but you may as well go ahead and convict her of something since, well, that appears to be the way you operate

04-16-2010, 02:04 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by falconhater If Ben woulda Quit we wouldnt be in this mess... I might sue him myself...LOL And what shall you sue him for. Seems you don't really have a reason to sue Ben...oh, wait, you don't think you need a reason. My bad. I totally forgot that. LMAO

04-16-2010, 02:09 PM	#10
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by saintfan And what shall you sue him for. Seems you don't really have a reason to sue Ben...oh, wait, you don't think you need a reason. My bad. I totally forgot that. LMAO he caused me to get caught up in a discussion with you!!! for which I feel less inteligent and emotionally stressed!!! LOL ( Just joking dude dont be so serious)
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