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Old 02-10-2014, 11:23 PM   #1
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted

To the people saying basically - he should shut up about it because it's irrelevant: If it's so irrelevant then why do you care?

To the people saying basically - why is he broadcasting this???

Um, why is Tom Brady broadcasting his straightness when he shows up at public events with Gisele? Whenever a straight football player gets married or shows up at public events with his spouse he is automatically broadcasting to the world that he's straight.

It's a double standard to say in one breath it's fine and acceptable for straight football players to broadcast their straightness, and then turn around and say, "Hey why did this gay person come out? We don't need that broadcasted. We didn't need to know that."

It's automatically assumed that somehow when a person says they're gay, they're saying what they like to do in the bedroom, and we don't need to know that. That's not the case!!! All they're saying is their orientation - that they simply prefer same sex relations. Just as Tom Brady by stating he is straight is simply saying he prefers heterosexual relations. What goes on particularly in the bedroom remains private.

As for me, I could not possibly be prouder of Michael Sam. It takes some brass to come out before the draft and to be "the first one". He's just a mid-rounder and this could easily affect his stock. It's likely someone will pick him up, but he'll probably fall a couple rounds below where he would have gone.

I truly look forward to the day when this isn't even a discussion anymore. It probably won't happen in my lifetime but you never know.
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Originally Posted by ClintSaints View Post
To the people saying basically - he should shut up about it because it's irrelevant: If it's so irrelevant then why do you care?

To the people saying basically - why is he broadcasting this???

Um, why is Tom Brady broadcasting his straightness when he shows up at public events with Gisele? Whenever a straight football player gets married or shows up at public events with his spouse he is automatically broadcasting to the world that he's straight.

It's a double standard to say in one breath it's fine and acceptable for straight football players to broadcast their straightness, and then turn around and say, "Hey why did this gay person come out? We don't need that broadcasted. We didn't need to know that."

It's automatically assumed that somehow when a person says they're gay, they're saying what they like to do in the bedroom, and we don't need to know that. That's not the case!!! All they're saying is their orientation - that they simply prefer same sex relations. Just as Tom Brady by stating he is straight is simply saying he prefers heterosexual relations. What goes on particularly in the bedroom remains private.

As for me, I could not possibly be prouder of Michael Sam. It takes some brass to come out before the draft and to be "the first one". He's just a mid-rounder and this could easily affect his stock. It's likely someone will pick him up, but he'll probably fall a couple rounds below where he would have gone.

I truly look forward to the day when this isn't even a discussion anymore. It probably won't happen in my lifetime but you never know.
It does. Good for that dude. Who cares is my feeling. In the spirit of our win over the Cards in 09 playoffs- He likes to lay the wood or have the wood laid, bahaha I am like a 2 year old, either way IDC. Do what makes you happy life is too short. And what a pair of balls on this guy, even though I don't want to check em out On a serious note I am happy for the guy being gay must be hard enough.
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Originally Posted by ClintSaints View Post
To the people saying basically - he should shut up about it because it's irrelevant:

I truly look forward to the day when this isn't even a discussion anymore.
Chase your self around the chair much?
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If it's so irrelevant then why do you care?
Many relevant discussions have been had about irrelevant actions.
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Um, why is Tom Brady broadcasting his straightness when he shows up at public events with Gisele? Whenever a straight football player gets married or shows up at public events with his spouse he is automatically broadcasting to the world that he's straight.

It's a double standard to say in one breath it's fine and acceptable for straight football players to broadcast their straightness, and then turn around and say, "Hey why did this gay person come out? We don't need that broadcasted. We didn't need to know that."
I know quite a few gay men and hetero females that would debate you on Tom Brady being straight. Marriage to the opposite sex is not a litmus test for being gay or straight. As far as for broadcasting it, standing in front of a podium with reporters is broadcasting. Showing up with your significant other is not.
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It's automatically assumed that somehow when a person says they're gay, they're saying what they like to do in the bedroom, and we don't need to know that.
Yes it is assumed because that is the text book definition of homosexuality.
Merriam Webster: Homosexual ~ sexually attracted to people of the same sex.
Unless what you are implying that he was letting the world know he is "happy"?
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As for me, I could not possibly be prouder of Michael Sam. It takes some brass to come out before the draft and to be "the first one". He's just a mid-rounder and this could easily affect his stock. It's likely someone will pick him up, but he'll probably fall a couple rounds below where he would have gone.
His draft stock has already fallen and it is not because he is gay. Head coaches want to win. Coaches like Sean Payton and Bill Belichick do not care what his sexual orientation is. They could care less, they just want to win. They also want players that know that winning isn't about them, it is about the team. Sam basically just stood up and said 'what is important right now is me'. Teo' caused a lot of drama before the draft, it hurt him. Getting arrested or getting a DWI before the draft hurts players also.

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If we drafted the guy and he recorded 15 sacks and helped us win a SB no one would care. Shoot we'd show up to games with rainbows as a sign of support
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Your sex life is none of my business.
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Your sex life is none of my business.
Come on man! I was just about to share.

This isnt Penthouse forum? LOL
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I look at it this way; SO WHAT!

My beliefs do not agree with homosexuality. I do respect a person PRIVATE and personal space. I don't think Sam is a "Hero" for the gay/Les community or for the Human race for that matter.

The real problem with it that I have is all of the "You must be tolerant to others. But if you don't believe what we believe then youre a bigot and you need to be removed from society.". Well, I have only one response for that. EAT ME!

This kid is a good football player. Even if he was a good lawyer, a good Soldier, or a good garbage man. BE THAT. Some of these people that preach tolerance are the worst offenders about "Labeling" people. "He's a couragous BLACK/WHITE/ASIAN/MONGOLOID for the whatever community.

Why can't this guy just be a good football player and that be the end of it?
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Chick fil a is a Christian based company. They prove that by not opening on Sunday. Will they still serve a gay customer? Yes they will. But no where does it say they HAVE TO support "GAY RIGHTS"

Same with the Boy Scouts. You have to be accepted into a Boy Scout Troop. You just can't join. They are Christian based as well.

I'm sorry to say this; but we don't have to accept and bend to the will of the minority. I do believe we need to respect the minority but not change everything because 10% of the popu don't "Fit in". Just like going into a resturant in MS and having spanish on the menu. Hispanics to not even come close to 15% of the popu.

I will say this. Gay/Les comunity have had no hardships compaired to the black comunity had to endure. I've yet to see gay drinking fountains, gay restrooms, gay sections in restuants, gays can't vote. gays only work for below federal wages. I'll stop there.

The gay/Les comunity need to get off of their high horse and just be what they are. Productive members of society and stop trying to force feed the rest of the world into there bidding.
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Chick fil a is a Christian based company. They prove that by not opening on Sunday. Will they still serve a gay customer? Yes they will. But no where does it say they HAVE TO support "GAY RIGHTS"

of course they'll serve a gay customer, they are a business first. And they are free to support all of the anti-gay groups that they choose. The issue is the discrimination of employees, documented with numerous lawsuits, not just by gays, but also by women, African-Americans, and Muslims. You can be "Christian-based". You can't be straight white male based.

Same with the Boy Scouts. You have to be accepted into a Boy Scout Troop. You just can't join. They are Christian based as well.
and like that church in Rome, they should be careful about calling out 'deviants'
Boy Scout sexual abuse files released to public


I'm sorry to say this; but we don't have to accept and bend to the will of the minority. I do believe we need to respect the minority but not change everything because 10% of the popu don't "Fit in". Just like going into a resturant in MS and having spanish on the menu. Hispanics to not even come close to 15% of the popu.

I will say this. Gay/Les comunity have had no hardships compaired to the black comunity had to endure. I've yet to see gay drinking fountains, gay restrooms, gay sections in restuants, gays can't vote. gays only work for below federal wages. I'll stop there. yes, because it is no longer the 1950's.

The gay/Les comunity need to get off of their high horse and just be what they are. Productive members of society and stop trying to force feed the rest of the world into there bidding.
but what they are, is discriminated against, just like the black community you mention
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