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02-11-2014, 10:39 PM | #42 |
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted
Originally Posted by TheOak
Let's start with my personal spending habits 'hurting thousands in my community', misguided hyperbole that it is. I still buy gas in my community, just not at BP. I still buy food from local businesses.
Next, BP and CFA take in revenue via initial franchise fees and an ongoing percentage of sales, generally around 4-5%. Franchises also must buy logo-ed disposables and paper products from, yes, a subsidiary of the franchisor. they also pay a marketing fee, which goes directly to the franchisor's advertising budget. Are they missing my $15 bucks a week? No, but it is naive to think that there is no impact on the parent company. BP's market cap is down almost 20% since April 2010---30 billion dollars. As for CFA owners being shocked by a press release, come on, we both know you are a lot smarter than that. First, Dan Cathy is not going to grant a franchise to anyone that doesn't share his ideals. Second, very few CFA owners are minorities or women, and unless they live in caves, they see what is going on. The CFA franchisees weren't shocked, they were ecstatic: the press release led to a sales boon. CFA had a record sales year as supporters rallied behind the company's now very public anti-gay stance. Since you are chastising me, do you also have issue with these people "hurting thousands in their community" by patronizing CFA more and other local restaurants less? Probably not, and neither do I. |
02-12-2014, 12:20 AM | #43 |
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Originally Posted by ScottF
All those groups and/or states that you just mentioned have taken personal stance, just as I do, and that is in no way persecuting them. They are not being denied service at chik-fil-a or any other place. And 36 states that oppose gay marriage are trying to protect something that used to be sacred and not intended for same sex relationships.
The whole reason for marriage comes from the Bible. So if you're a non believer and you want to, in essence, give the word of God the middle finger, then you have no reason to be married. Just live together, and do whatever it is you want to do. Now as far as foreign countries, don't even bother going there. Christians, females (regardless of beliefs) gays, jews, all get murdered all the time. You're talking about brutal dictatorships. Let's not compare them to our country. You're embarrassing yourself with that one. And as for your question, I don't consider myself persecuted. I used the word pressure. People like me can get fired from our jobs for saying something as simple as "I think homosexuality is wrong" out loud where someone who disagrees with me might complain. But if that same person were to call me a bigot for my beliefs, nothing would happen to that person. Because heaven forbid we upset a homosexual and have it blow up all over the news about how "intolerent" this person's boss is. It blows up just that quick, and you see it on tv just about every day now. And why did I say "anymore"? I can't believe I have to explain this, but I'll humor you. Because whereas this country used to take a moral stand (and yes, there was also a greater number of radicals who hated gays rather than simply disagreeing with them) it now praises people for their "courage" and practically forces others to do the same. So there really isn't persecution "anymore". You may have a few isolated incidents, but for every issue involving a gay person there is one for every other person or culture nowadays. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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02-12-2014, 12:32 AM | #44 |
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted
Originally Posted by ScottF
Scott, are you certain you know what discrimination is? Let me use an analogy. I know from arguments on the political forum that you are a liberal, and you may remember that I am a conservative. In other words, we disagree with each other's beliefs. Are we discriminating against each other, then?
There are no companies or restaurants who are shutting their doors to gays. They simply do not support the gay rights movement as many of them are christian organizations, as Sapper has pointed out. There is no comparison between that and someone burning down your house because they "don't like your kind". No what I mean? |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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02-13-2014, 02:33 PM | #45 |
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted
Originally Posted by burningmetal
I never said restaurants were denying service. In fact, I said the exact opposite in regards to customers.
Chick-fil-a is anti-gay. Dan Cathy has publicly stated that. The company has contributed to anti-gay groups. That is documented. But you guys come at me like this is just my opinion, when the company in question has OPENLY STATED IT. Here is their statement of their policies moving forward, as in, 'we didn't do this before, but...' Chick-fil-A has "ceased donating to organizations that promote discrimination , specifically against LGBT civil rights." According to the TCRA, Chick-fil-A officials stated in an internal document that they " will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation." So, they have CEASED supporting groups that discriminate, and now WILL treat everyone equally (future tense) Yes, I do know what discrimination is, especially when it is documented so clearly. You patronize the businesses you want, and I'll do the same. I'm thinking that is granted to us somewhere in the constitution. |
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted
Originally Posted by ScottF
That would be the First Amendment, that governs expression and speech. It also encompasses religious beliefs. Which is what Dan Cathy was practicing.
He does seem to be being discriminated against based on his Southern Baptist beliefs. Interesting how there is support for ones freedom to express being gay but not another freedom to express his religion. No? |
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02-13-2014, 05:56 PM | #47 |
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted
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If you truly believe the gay/ lesbian community isn't persecuted every hour, every day, and there are only 'isolated incidents' in our country...I have no response to that.
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02-15-2014, 08:58 AM | #48 |
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted
Just jumping in here and I have read the posts, the guy is gay. He said. No future shock or story for any team that should take him. No scandal. He took all of that away. No money story.
Lots of people have gay cowokers, family, friends, neighbors, etc. God created these people as they are. I do not think any NFL fan or team cares if he is hired as long as he can play. The NFL , of all places, cannot for pr reasons , cannot be critical of the guy because he has not raped, killed, had DUI, dog fights, baby mama drama and more. he is gay. Whether or not he is drafted or can be in the NFL all depends if he can play ball. Opposite situation, Tim Tebow. Many still want to say poor Timmy Tebow was taken out of the NFL by Liberals and Devils and goodness knows what because he was CHRISTIAN. No, he had no team wanting him and wanting him as starting qb because he was simply not that good. Period. The Late Reggie White was Christian and talked his beliefs. Russell Wilson is Christian and talks up his beliefs. Many others. I think it ok to assume the Mannings have strong Christian beliefs. They do not talk it up . Oh, they can play that football. All people care about is if the guy can play football. Mr. Cathy of CFA. This is really BS ..."Oh , he does not want gay people at his places or hire gay people or have gay franchise owners.... That story. He has his beliefs and can have them as we all can. He can and cannot award a CFA, his business, to people who share his beliefs or who are straight. What do you think, he has them pledge under oath or something? LOL!! Sign stuff like that? You cannot do that. There are US Civil Rights that trump him. How would he know if they are gay or straight? Are they selling gay sandwiches? Are they selling gay propaganda? Gay flags? Have gay family night? No. No. No. If someone meets all the finanical means, background checks, etc. to buy a CFA franchise, I am sure they can get one. Mr. Cathy cannot ask anyone to pledge to be anti-gay or ask if they are gay. No CFA applications for the cashier to the fries guy to the manager asks people if they are gay. Support gay rights? Belong to a Christian Chruch, preferably Protestant? Etc. Ones' personal life is just that and has nothing to do with the work place whatever you are. Ones' personal life is personal and should be kept personal whether you are gay or straight. |
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All that should matter is if he can pound the guy in front of him or squirt through that line.
Really if you think about it... only 10% of gays are the wrong sex trapped in the wrong body. The rest.... got sucked into it. |
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