The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific.

Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men?

Go to sleep man.

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men?

Go to sleep man.

You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise. You said it's a 4,000 year old instrument. As of right now that's true. The oldest version was found in Afrika...

I don't fall for the semantics.

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise.

My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true.

I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions.

I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why?

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true.

I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions.

I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why?

I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate.

saintfan · 09-26-2017, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate.

I fully understand and have respect for the fact that you and I see the world through different lenses. What I do not understand, in all honesty, is what happened to you to make you not want us to see eye to eye - it is a very black panther-like position to take. It isn't unfamililar. If that isn't what you want, then could you explain to me what, exactly, it is that you do want? Of course you owe me nothing, but in the interest of a good faith discussion I'm not sure how it can happen unless you elaborate.

I'm not looking to understand your position. I already know your position. I'm well versed. You sound very much like many black people I know out here, and you are equally vague as to why. So, I'm trying to understand WHY it is you have that position. I'm hoping you might elaborate in a way that your fellow black men either will not or can not.

That's pretty much it. The ball is in your court. I welcome a PM and honest dialogue or an open discussion right here. You know how. I won't be holding my breath, but that isn't to say I won't be hopeful to hear from you. I'm totally interested.

09-25-2017, 08:24 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific. Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men? Go to sleep man.

09-25-2017, 08:27 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men? Go to sleep man. You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise. You said it's a 4,000 year old instrument. As of right now that's true. The oldest version was found in Afrika... I don't fall for the semantics.

09-25-2017, 08:38 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise. My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true. I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions. I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why?
	C'mon Man...

09-25-2017, 08:54 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true. I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions. I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why? I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate.
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael

09-26-2017, 01:20 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate. I fully understand and have respect for the fact that you and I see the world through different lenses. What I do not understand, in all honesty, is what happened to you to make you not want us to see eye to eye - it is a very black panther-like position to take. It isn't unfamililar. If that isn't what you want, then could you explain to me what, exactly, it is that you do want? Of course you owe me nothing, but in the interest of a good faith discussion I'm not sure how it can happen unless you elaborate. I'm not looking to understand your position. I already know your position. I'm well versed. You sound very much like many black people I know out here, and you are equally vague as to why. So, I'm trying to understand WHY it is you have that position. I'm hoping you might elaborate in a way that your fellow black men either will not or can not. That's pretty much it. The ball is in your court. I welcome a PM and honest dialogue or an open discussion right here. You know how. I won't be holding my breath, but that isn't to say I won't be hopeful to hear from you. I'm totally interested.
	C'mon Man...

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