Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs

Beastmode · 01-17-2021, 11:30 PM

Brees kneeling to BLM was a bigger loss than this game. Still glad he and the Saints lost and NFL ratings are horrible. We are winning folks. Stay strong.

K Major · 01-18-2021, 03:56 AM

Jared Cook has lost the fire, intensity and hunger. Those INTS sure didn't help either.

At the elite level of football, you don't win turning over the ball that many times in a playoff game. Once some of you go back and review the film, you'll see how bad Alex Anzalone really is in coverage. If Kwon doesn't return, go find a replacement because Anzalone isn't good enough. Anyone see Devin White at LB ? We need to consider bringing back Mike Nolan and develop more talent at linebacker.

Drew Brees is pretty much done playing. Time to see what we have in Jameis Winston. He's had a complete season in this offense, so I'd like to see what he can do.

I thought Lattimore and Jenkins played well.

This team made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, something a lot of squads weren't able to do. We can only have one winner but losing sucks.

The playoffs are a different animal, I'm not even mad.

jeanpierre · 01-18-2021, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Jared Cook has lost the fire, intensity and hunger. Those INTS sure didn't help either.

At the elite level of football, you don't win turning over the ball that many times in a playoff game. Once some of you go back and review the film, you'll see how bad Alex Anzalone really is in coverage. If Kwon doesn't return, go find a replacement because Anzalone isn't good enough. Anyone see Devin White at LB ? We need to consider bringing back Mike Nolan and develop more talent at linebacker.

Drew Brees is pretty much done playing. Time to see what we have in Jameis Winston. He's had a complete season in this offense, so I'd like to see what he can do.

I thought Lattimore and Jenkins played well.

This team made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, something a lot of squads weren't able to do. We can only have one winner but losing sucks.

The playoffs are a different animal, I'm not even mad.

Agree with all this except the Jameis part; Tom Brady just took Jameis team into the playoffs and beat the Saints at home that had swept them during the regular season...

We've seen what Jameis is in this league for five-plus seasons...

Everyone, and I get it, is judging Taysom against Brees career; well, can we see Taysom over the course of a season?

Can we give the guy more than a handful of games to acclimate to the NFL?

Even Brees was benched a couple of times before he got clicking as a veteran free agent with the Saints...

To be really honest, I'd hoped we ride with Taysom this season, felt Drew just didn't have the stamina to play 16 and a tournament...

And if Taysom were awful, the resultant record would have put us in a better position to grab a franchise QB in the draft...

gosaints1 · 01-18-2021, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Agree with all this except the Jameis part; Tom Brady just took Jameis team into the playoffs and beat the Saints at home that had swept them during the regular season...

We've seen what Jameis is in this league for five-plus seasons...

Everyone, and I get it, is judging Taysom against Brees career; well, can we see Taysom over the course of a season?

Can we give the guy more than a handful of games to acclimate to the NFL?

Even Brees was benched a couple of times before he got clicking as a veteran free agent with the Saints...

To be really honest, I'd hoped we ride with Taysom this season, felt Drew just didn't have the stamina to play 16 and a tournament...

And if Taysom were awful, the resultant record would have put us in a better position to grab a franchise QB in the draft...

I would like to see both get equal time under the same center, with the same offensive weapons, and the same playbook. Situational QB rotation this past season, based on down and distance, was a really, really bad idea. One I hope to never see again. If Winston is the superior passer, I hope he gets the starting pos’n. Same for Hill. It has to be an open, best man gets the job, competition. If CSP plays favorites, and isn’t objective in his evaluation, then it would not surprise me to see a player revolt.

Worst thing for this team to see would be exactly what you describe, the naming of Taysom as the starter bc -Coach nubs him, and the Saints go 1-4 over the first handful of games. If “Taysom were awful” and CSP stuck with him for an “entire season”, lol, that locker room would be VERY vocal in their displeasure with leadership. It’s a group of men known to be passionate, vocal, and unapologetic in their beliefs.

Bottom line, if CSP has already chosen to roll with Taysom, and it’s my belief he has..., then he would be wise to not have Winston on the roster at the same time. Me personally, I truly want to see Winston start four games in a Saints uni, we’ve seen Taysom start four.

K Major · 01-19-2021, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Agree with all this except the Jameis part; Tom Brady just took Jameis team into the playoffs and beat the Saints at home that had swept them during the regular season...

We've seen what Jameis is in this league for five-plus seasons...

Everyone, and I get it, is judging Taysom against Brees career; well, can we see Taysom over the course of a season?

Can we give the guy more than a handful of games to acclimate to the NFL?

Even Brees was benched a couple of times before he got clicking as a veteran free agent with the Saints...

To be really honest, I'd hoped we ride with Taysom this season, felt Drew just didn't have the stamina to play 16 and a tournament...

And if Taysom were awful, the resultant record would have put us in a better position to grab a franchise QB in the draft...

Or we draft one. If Sean P sees something (PMahommes) in this 2021 class, I hope he pulls the trigger.

We still don't know what Jameis can do in this offense & in a small sample size, Taysom is a fumbler. That's simply not gonna work.

Life after Brees will be interesting as it pertains to the QB position.

RailBoss · 01-18-2021, 05:26 AM

Kwon was a huge loss for us he was playing lights out football and Anzalone was nowhere near filling that gap. The Michael Thomas situation was a little more puzzling possibly still not recovered from the ankle injury. As for Drew expecting a 42 year old quarterback coming back from 11 bruised ribs and a collapsed lung was a stretch to say the least. Not having Taysom was probably the kiss of death for us, not having his versatility sadly weakened our attack. Now add Murray being out who consistently picked up those hard yards. If by some Saints VooDoo miracle
we limped into Green Bay the 22 degree snow predicted weather would have been a far reaching expectation. Key players are crucial, Mahomes
went down for KC in the Browns game and they barely held on to win.

vpheughan · 01-18-2021, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Kwon was a huge loss for us he was playing lights out football and Anzalone was nowhere near filling that gap. The Michael Thomas situation was a little more puzzling possibly still not recovered from the ankle injury. As for Drew expecting a 42 year old quarterback coming back from 11 bruised ribs and a collapsed lung was a stretch to say the least. Not having Taysom was probably the kiss of death for us, not having his versatility sadly weakened our attack. Now add Murray being out who consistently picked up those hard yards. If by some Saints VooDoo miracle
we limped into Green Bay the 22 degree snow predicted weather would have been a far reaching expectation. Key players are crucial, Mahomes
went down for KC in the Browns game and they barely held on to win.

The Browns were victims of a "Non Call" that fumble at the goal line that ended as a touch back for KC was clear " leading with the crown of the helmet" be willing to bet that was the reason the Saints got that called in their favor. I'm sure the NFL is drafting "The Oops There It Is" letter to Cleveland as I write this.

dizzle88 · 01-18-2021, 05:51 AM

Whilst I'm sad that this might be Drew's last ever game and annoyed at how his prime was squandered with poor squads, I'm optimistic and excited about the future.

It might not be pretty for a while, a lot of players being cap casualties, I think a change at QB will allow this team to re-establish their own identity and make use of the players we have at WR, with routes above 10-15 yards.

Mr.Riaton · 01-18-2021, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Whilst I'm sad that this might be Drew's last ever game and annoyed at how his prime was squandered with poor squads, I'm optimistic and excited about the future.

It might not be pretty for a while, a lot of players being cap casualties, I think a change at QB will allow this team to re-establish their own identity and make use of the players we have at WR, with routes above 10-15 yards.

I agree with this. I’m gonna miss Brees- he’s truly a HOF quarterback who was surrounded by sh*t defenses for most of his career, and I feel like it deprived him of at least another Lombardi if not more, but I honestly feel good going forward with Jamie’s if that’s the plan. He threw that decently deep pass to Smith with accuracy and little effort. Our situation could be much worse honestly.

iceshack149 · 01-18-2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I agree with this. I’m gonna miss Brees- he’s truly a HOF quarterback who was surrounded by sh*t defenses for most of his career, and I feel like it deprived him of at least another Lombardi if not more, but I honestly feel good going forward with Jamie’s if that’s the plan. He threw that decently deep pass to Smith with accuracy and little effort. Our situation could be much worse honestly.

Not only the bad defenses but the "Bounty" clown show set the Saints back for a few years of Brees' prime.

01-17-2021, 11:30 PM	#1
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Brees kneeling to BLM was a bigger loss than this game. Still glad he and the Saints lost and NFL ratings are horrible. We are winning folks. Stay strong. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and mapcow like this.
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01-18-2021, 03:56 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,894 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Jared Cook has lost the fire, intensity and hunger. Those INTS sure didn't help either. At the elite level of football, you don't win turning over the ball that many times in a playoff game. Once some of you go back and review the film, you'll see how bad Alex Anzalone really is in coverage. If Kwon doesn't return, go find a replacement because Anzalone isn't good enough. Anyone see Devin White at LB ? We need to consider bringing back Mike Nolan and develop more talent at linebacker. Drew Brees is pretty much done playing. Time to see what we have in Jameis Winston. He's had a complete season in this offense, so I'd like to see what he can do. I thought Lattimore and Jenkins played well. This team made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, something a lot of squads weren't able to do. We can only have one winner but losing sucks. The playoffs are a different animal, I'm not even mad. iceshack149, RailBoss, SaintFanQ and 6 others like this.

01-18-2021, 08:38 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Originally Posted by K Major Jared Cook has lost the fire, intensity and hunger. Those INTS sure didn't help either. At the elite level of football, you don't win turning over the ball that many times in a playoff game. Once some of you go back and review the film, you'll see how bad Alex Anzalone really is in coverage. If Kwon doesn't return, go find a replacement because Anzalone isn't good enough. Anyone see Devin White at LB ? We need to consider bringing back Mike Nolan and develop more talent at linebacker. Drew Brees is pretty much done playing. Time to see what we have in Jameis Winston. He's had a complete season in this offense, so I'd like to see what he can do. I thought Lattimore and Jenkins played well. This team made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, something a lot of squads weren't able to do. We can only have one winner but losing sucks. The playoffs are a different animal, I'm not even mad. Agree with all this except the Jameis part; Tom Brady just took Jameis team into the playoffs and beat the Saints at home that had swept them during the regular season... We've seen what Jameis is in this league for five-plus seasons... Everyone, and I get it, is judging Taysom against Brees career; well, can we see Taysom over the course of a season? Can we give the guy more than a handful of games to acclimate to the NFL? Even Brees was benched a couple of times before he got clicking as a veteran free agent with the Saints... To be really honest, I'd hoped we ride with Taysom this season, felt Drew just didn't have the stamina to play 16 and a tournament... And if Taysom were awful, the resultant record would have put us in a better position to grab a franchise QB in the draft... Rsanders24 and SmashMouth like this.
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01-18-2021, 09:13 PM	#4
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Originally Posted by jeanpierre Agree with all this except the Jameis part; Tom Brady just took Jameis team into the playoffs and beat the Saints at home that had swept them during the regular season... We've seen what Jameis is in this league for five-plus seasons... Everyone, and I get it, is judging Taysom against Brees career; well, can we see Taysom over the course of a season? Can we give the guy more than a handful of games to acclimate to the NFL? Even Brees was benched a couple of times before he got clicking as a veteran free agent with the Saints... To be really honest, I'd hoped we ride with Taysom this season, felt Drew just didn't have the stamina to play 16 and a tournament... And if Taysom were awful, the resultant record would have put us in a better position to grab a franchise QB in the draft... I would like to see both get equal time under the same center, with the same offensive weapons, and the same playbook. Situational QB rotation this past season, based on down and distance, was a really, really bad idea. One I hope to never see again. If Winston is the superior passer, I hope he gets the starting pos’n. Same for Hill. It has to be an open, best man gets the job, competition. If CSP plays favorites, and isn’t objective in his evaluation, then it would not surprise me to see a player revolt. Worst thing for this team to see would be exactly what you describe, the naming of Taysom as the starter bc -Coach nubs him, and the Saints go 1-4 over the first handful of games. If “Taysom were awful” and CSP stuck with him for an “entire season”, lol, that locker room would be VERY vocal in their displeasure with leadership. It’s a group of men known to be passionate, vocal, and unapologetic in their beliefs. Bottom line, if CSP has already chosen to roll with Taysom, and it’s my belief he has..., then he would be wise to not have Winston on the roster at the same time. Me personally, I truly want to see Winston start four games in a Saints uni, we’ve seen Taysom start four.
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01-19-2021, 09:18 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,894 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Originally Posted by jeanpierre Agree with all this except the Jameis part; Tom Brady just took Jameis team into the playoffs and beat the Saints at home that had swept them during the regular season... We've seen what Jameis is in this league for five-plus seasons... Everyone, and I get it, is judging Taysom against Brees career; well, can we see Taysom over the course of a season? Can we give the guy more than a handful of games to acclimate to the NFL? Even Brees was benched a couple of times before he got clicking as a veteran free agent with the Saints... To be really honest, I'd hoped we ride with Taysom this season, felt Drew just didn't have the stamina to play 16 and a tournament... And if Taysom were awful, the resultant record would have put us in a better position to grab a franchise QB in the draft... Or we draft one. If Sean P sees something (PMahommes) in this 2021 class, I hope he pulls the trigger. We still don't know what Jameis can do in this offense & in a small sample size, Taysom is a fumbler. That's simply not gonna work. Life after Brees will be interesting as it pertains to the QB position. RailBoss and gosaints1 like this.

01-18-2021, 05:26 AM	#6
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Kwon was a huge loss for us he was playing lights out football and Anzalone was nowhere near filling that gap. The Michael Thomas situation was a little more puzzling possibly still not recovered from the ankle injury. As for Drew expecting a 42 year old quarterback coming back from 11 bruised ribs and a collapsed lung was a stretch to say the least. Not having Taysom was probably the kiss of death for us, not having his versatility sadly weakened our attack. Now add Murray being out who consistently picked up those hard yards. If by some Saints VooDoo miracle we limped into Green Bay the 22 degree snow predicted weather would have been a far reaching expectation. Key players are crucial, Mahomes went down for KC in the Browns game and they barely held on to win.

01-18-2021, 09:08 AM	#7
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,566	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Originally Posted by RailBoss Kwon was a huge loss for us he was playing lights out football and Anzalone was nowhere near filling that gap. The Michael Thomas situation was a little more puzzling possibly still not recovered from the ankle injury. As for Drew expecting a 42 year old quarterback coming back from 11 bruised ribs and a collapsed lung was a stretch to say the least. Not having Taysom was probably the kiss of death for us, not having his versatility sadly weakened our attack. Now add Murray being out who consistently picked up those hard yards. If by some Saints VooDoo miracle we limped into Green Bay the 22 degree snow predicted weather would have been a far reaching expectation. Key players are crucial, Mahomes went down for KC in the Browns game and they barely held on to win. The Browns were victims of a "Non Call" that fumble at the goal line that ended as a touch back for KC was clear " leading with the crown of the helmet" be willing to bet that was the reason the Saints got that called in their favor. I'm sure the NFL is drafting "The Oops There It Is" letter to Cleveland as I write this.
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01-18-2021, 05:51 AM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,656	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Whilst I'm sad that this might be Drew's last ever game and annoyed at how his prime was squandered with poor squads, I'm optimistic and excited about the future. It might not be pretty for a while, a lot of players being cap casualties, I think a change at QB will allow this team to re-establish their own identity and make use of the players we have at WR, with routes above 10-15 yards. gosaints1 likes this.

01-18-2021, 06:43 AM	#9
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Originally Posted by dizzle88 Whilst I'm sad that this might be Drew's last ever game and annoyed at how his prime was squandered with poor squads, I'm optimistic and excited about the future. It might not be pretty for a while, a lot of players being cap casualties, I think a change at QB will allow this team to re-establish their own identity and make use of the players we have at WR, with routes above 10-15 yards. I agree with this. I’m gonna miss Brees- he’s truly a HOF quarterback who was surrounded by sh*t defenses for most of his career, and I feel like it deprived him of at least another Lombardi if not more, but I honestly feel good going forward with Jamie’s if that’s the plan. He threw that decently deep pass to Smith with accuracy and little effort. Our situation could be much worse honestly.

01-18-2021, 12:17 PM	#10
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,474 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from yet another Saints early exit in the playoffs Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I agree with this. I’m gonna miss Brees- he’s truly a HOF quarterback who was surrounded by sh*t defenses for most of his career, and I feel like it deprived him of at least another Lombardi if not more, but I honestly feel good going forward with Jamie’s if that’s the plan. He threw that decently deep pass to Smith with accuracy and little effort. Our situation could be much worse honestly. Not only the bad defenses but the "Bounty" clown show set the Saints back for a few years of Brees' prime. neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.