B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago

blackangold · 01-25-2021, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no.

This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.

Boston Saint · 01-25-2021, 11:07 AM

Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?

iceshack149 · 01-25-2021, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Has Cooks set hall of fame numbers since his departure from the Saints ?

Or Jimmy Graham?

rezburna · 01-25-2021, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?

We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field.

Boston Saint · 01-25-2021, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.

When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB.

gosaints1 · 01-25-2021, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field.

Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three.

rezburna · 01-25-2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three.

Nobody ever talks about the fact he’s pretty much had good to elite level offensive lines his entire tenure in New Orleans.

Jamal Brown
Jahri Evans
Carl Nicks
John Stinchcomb
Ryan Ramczyk
Ben Grubbs
Jonathan Goodwin
Max Unger
Terron Armstead

That’s some All-Pro talent we’ve had coming through here.

Budsdrinker · 01-25-2021, 11:49 AM

Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games.

Boston Saint · 01-25-2021, 11:52 AM

Indeed. The OLine talent has been Deep. D-line as well for the most part. Both sides of the line have been high priority draft picks for the most part under Payton. D backfield as well.

Linebackers and WRs have been under repped by him conversely. I know there have been a handful here and there, but Inwould have liked to see these positions better regarded IMO.

One more thing about Brees arm strength vs “Receiver” quality I’ll say this. You replace Cook with Travis Kelce, Saints win that game against Tampa. I can’t say the same if you replace Brees with Rodgers.

rezburna · 01-25-2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games.

Brees gave them almost half of those turnovers. Lol.

01-25-2021, 10:59 AM	#21
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by subguy Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no. This right here doesn't make sense.... In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB. That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have. UK_WhoDat, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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01-25-2021, 11:07 AM	#22
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there? iceshack149, Budsdrinker, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by SmashMouth Has Cooks set hall of fame numbers since his departure from the Saints ? Or Jimmy Graham? SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there? We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field. Rsanders24, gosaints1 and K Major like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by blackangold This right here doesn't make sense.... In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB. That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have. When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB. Papa Voodoo likes this.

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01-25-2021, 11:33 AM	#26
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field. Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three.
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01-25-2021, 11:38 AM	#27
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by gosaints1 Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three. Nobody ever talks about the fact he’s pretty much had good to elite level offensive lines his entire tenure in New Orleans. Jamal Brown Jahri Evans Carl Nicks John Stinchcomb Ryan Ramczyk Ben Grubbs Jonathan Goodwin Max Unger Terron Armstead That’s some All-Pro talent we’ve had coming through here. 73Saint, gosaints1 and K Major like this.

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01-25-2021, 11:52 AM	#29
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Indeed. The OLine talent has been Deep. D-line as well for the most part. Both sides of the line have been high priority draft picks for the most part under Payton. D backfield as well. Linebackers and WRs have been under repped by him conversely. I know there have been a handful here and there, but Inwould have liked to see these positions better regarded IMO. One more thing about Brees arm strength vs “Receiver” quality I’ll say this. You replace Cook with Travis Kelce, Saints win that game against Tampa. I can’t say the same if you replace Brees with Rodgers.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games. Brees gave them almost half of those turnovers. Lol. K Major likes this.