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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by subguy Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no. This right here doesn't make sense.... In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue ...

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Old 01-25-2021, 09:59 AM   #21
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Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago

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Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no.
This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.
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Old 01-25-2021, 10:07 AM   #22
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Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?
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Has Cooks set hall of fame numbers since his departure from the Saints ?
Or Jimmy Graham?
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Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?
We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field.
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This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.
When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB.
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We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field.
Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three.
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Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three.
Nobody ever talks about the fact he’s pretty much had good to elite level offensive lines his entire tenure in New Orleans.

Jamal Brown
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That’s some All-Pro talent we’ve had coming through here.
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Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago

Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games.
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Old 01-25-2021, 10:52 AM   #29
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Indeed. The OLine talent has been Deep. D-line as well for the most part. Both sides of the line have been high priority draft picks for the most part under Payton. D backfield as well.

Linebackers and WRs have been under repped by him conversely. I know there have been a handful here and there, but Inwould have liked to see these positions better regarded IMO.

One more thing about Brees arm strength vs “Receiver” quality I’ll say this. You replace Cook with Travis Kelce, Saints win that game against Tampa. I can’t say the same if you replace Brees with Rodgers.

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Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games.
Brees gave them almost half of those turnovers. Lol.
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