B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago

rezburna · 01-24-2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yeah, it was Brees arm that caused the Minn Miracle...and the Rams Comeback...

I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

subguy · 01-25-2021, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

I don't get it dude...I think everyone was appreciative of what Teddy did while the starting HOF QB was injured. It wasn't as if Teddy led the stat columns this year in NC.

Also, it is very obvious Cooks didn't pan out with us, NE or the Rams and who knows about Houston, 4 teams in 6 or 7 seasons three of those with us. When players such as Cooks, even as Thomas has shown himself this year, that it is more about them than the team it is a problem.

Thomas is a stud receiver, but I must say his connection with Drew helped him gain his reputation in the league as Drew has done with many receivers in his career. Guys that have gone on to not contribute much with other QB's.

Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no.

If our cap space is not what it is, it would be great to give a guy like Stafford a chance at a second life, but it is what it is. If the frog had wings he wouldn't bump his on ground when he hopped.

saintsfan1976 · 01-25-2021, 06:51 AM

Watching the Qbs this weekend sling it around with ease made me jealous to not have the same on our roster.

It's a fact Drew's arm has been in decline overall. The offense showed it and defenses capitalized.

We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"...

vpheughan · 01-25-2021, 08:04 AM

We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"...

Already on the roster Jameis Winston
He can sling it alright, the hell with "accuracy"
76 games 61.4 % comp. 19,812 yds 121 td 88 int . Careful what you wish for.

TheOak · 01-25-2021, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Watching the Qbs this weekend sling it around with ease made me jealous to not have the same on our roster.

It's a fact Drew's arm has been in decline overall. The offense showed it and defenses capitalized.

We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"...

It has been a couple of seasons since we challenged with passing accuracy brother.

saintsfan1976 · 01-25-2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It has been a couple of seasons since we challenged with passing accuracy brother.

I'm aware. I'm guilty of not opening my eyes to it earlier, though. Or at least not admitting to it... Look, I love Drew and what he's done for the team as well as the region in general so it's hard to imagine him not being our leader.

But.... it's evident his time has come to an end.

WW_Who_Dat · 01-25-2021, 09:07 AM

Yeah I think that noodle arm facilitated the record breaking season for MT ... Respect seems to be lacking for a player who did little too distinguish himself on the playing field this year ... his biggest splash was the thrown punch at his TEAM MATE.

Boston Saint · 01-25-2021, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too.

Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a
Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me.

TheOak · 01-25-2021, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm aware. I'm guilty of not opening my eyes to it earlier, though. Or at least not admitting to it... Look, I love Drew and what he's done for the team as well as the region in general so it's hard to imagine him not being our leader.

But.... it's evident his time has come to an end.

Nearly all of us love what Drew has done. It does not matter what he did yesterday, his body of work validates the pedestal we put him on.

In some instances guilt makes us believe that evolving equates to tossing aside and that isn't the case. Because there isn't just one discussion but rather two simultaneously; trying to debate if he should be done, and who the next person is... because of this, I believe that his retirement will be healthy for the fan base.

Its unrealistic to become permanently attached to a player and winning at the same time... One or the other will inevitably deteriorate.

rezburna · 01-25-2021, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too.

Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a
Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me.

The fact that Tom Brady can throw the long ball like he did to close out the 2nd quarter is what opens up the field for everything else. Drew Brees is a legend and first ballot HOF’er and blah, blah, blah but that doesn’t take away from the fact he hasn’t been getting it done and he does have a noodle for an arm. Nobody is saying you have to have the strongest arm in the world, but you do have to be able to keep defenses honest. Brady is still able to do that. Drew Brees was a better version Chad Pennington for these last four years.

01-24-2021, 09:32 PM	#11
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,892	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yeah, it was Brees arm that caused the Minn Miracle...and the Rams Comeback... I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position. I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. Rsanders24, saintsfan1976, 73Saint and 2 others like this.
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01-25-2021, 06:44 AM	#12
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position. I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. I don't get it dude...I think everyone was appreciative of what Teddy did while the starting HOF QB was injured. It wasn't as if Teddy led the stat columns this year in NC. Also, it is very obvious Cooks didn't pan out with us, NE or the Rams and who knows about Houston, 4 teams in 6 or 7 seasons three of those with us. When players such as Cooks, even as Thomas has shown himself this year, that it is more about them than the team it is a problem. Thomas is a stud receiver, but I must say his connection with Drew helped him gain his reputation in the league as Drew has done with many receivers in his career. Guys that have gone on to not contribute much with other QB's. Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no. If our cap space is not what it is, it would be great to give a guy like Stafford a chance at a second life, but it is what it is. If the frog had wings he wouldn't bump his on ground when he hopped.
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01-25-2021, 06:51 AM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Watching the Qbs this weekend sling it around with ease made me jealous to not have the same on our roster. It's a fact Drew's arm has been in decline overall. The offense showed it and defenses capitalized. We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"... Rsanders24, 73Saint, cmike and 3 others like this.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,518	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"... Already on the roster Jameis Winston He can sling it alright, the hell with "accuracy" 76 games 61.4 % comp. 19,812 yds 121 td 88 int . Careful what you wish for.
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01-25-2021, 08:14 AM	#15
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Watching the Qbs this weekend sling it around with ease made me jealous to not have the same on our roster. It's a fact Drew's arm has been in decline overall. The offense showed it and defenses capitalized. We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"... It has been a couple of seasons since we challenged with passing accuracy brother. UK_WhoDat, Rsanders24, saintsfan1976 and 1 others like this.

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01-25-2021, 09:07 AM	#16
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by TheOak It has been a couple of seasons since we challenged with passing accuracy brother. I'm aware. I'm guilty of not opening my eyes to it earlier, though. Or at least not admitting to it... Look, I love Drew and what he's done for the team as well as the region in general so it's hard to imagine him not being our leader. But.... it's evident his time has come to an end. 73Saint and K Major like this.

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WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,269 Blog Entries: 1	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Yeah I think that noodle arm facilitated the record breaking season for MT ... Respect seems to be lacking for a player who did little too distinguish himself on the playing field this year ... his biggest splash was the thrown punch at his TEAM MATE. Papa Voodoo, Rugby Saint II and RefsRobbedUs like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position. I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too. Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm aware. I'm guilty of not opening my eyes to it earlier, though. Or at least not admitting to it... Look, I love Drew and what he's done for the team as well as the region in general so it's hard to imagine him not being our leader. But.... it's evident his time has come to an end. Nearly all of us love what Drew has done. It does not matter what he did yesterday, his body of work validates the pedestal we put him on. In some instances guilt makes us believe that evolving equates to tossing aside and that isn't the case. Because there isn't just one discussion but rather two simultaneously; trying to debate if he should be done, and who the next person is... because of this, I believe that his retirement will be healthy for the fan base. Its unrealistic to become permanently attached to a player and winning at the same time... One or the other will inevitably deteriorate.
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01-25-2021, 10:54 AM	#20
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,892	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too. Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me. The fact that Tom Brady can throw the long ball like he did to close out the 2nd quarter is what opens up the field for everything else. Drew Brees is a legend and first ballot HOF’er and blah, blah, blah but that doesn’t take away from the fact he hasn’t been getting it done and he does have a noodle for an arm. Nobody is saying you have to have the strongest arm in the world, but you do have to be able to keep defenses honest. Brady is still able to do that. Drew Brees was a better version Chad Pennington for these last four years. Rsanders24, SmashMouth, 73Saint and 1 others like this.
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