Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'

ChrisXVI · 02-05-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I loved the idea of Taysom running the West Coast offense, but when he refused to hit Kamara on a screen vs Denver when he was wide open, and then Brett Favre'd a pass right at Kamara's head from 5 yards away vs Eagles I'd seen enough.

He just doesn't recognise passing concepts and defenses quick enough to run a 3 or 4 receiver offense. As Deuce said on multiple gamedays about Taysom - PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER!!!

That still makes me laugh my ass off. Kamara was so visibly annoyed when Taysom was starting.

SaintGnome · 02-05-2021, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I loved the idea of Taysom running the West Coast offense, but when he refused to hit Kamara on a screen vs Denver when he was wide open, and then Brett Favre'd a pass right at Kamara's head from 5 yards away vs Eagles I'd seen enough.

He just doesn't recognise passing concepts and defenses quick enough to run a 3 or 4 receiver offense. As Deuce said on multiple gamedays about Taysom - PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER!!!

I was OK with him as a passer in general, but he needs to learn that sometimes you JUST TAKE THE SACK, live to fight another day and turnovers end the day. And yeah, he'd need to get more in sync with AK if he became starter. I'd like to see a honest "best man wins" between the two but I expect (if signed) JW will probably get the start with Hill as a weapon.

Flipx99 · 02-05-2021, 07:09 PM

It seems the careers of headcase QBs only get worse with time -- their skills naturally diminish with time and the psych issues remain.

Rugby Saint II · 02-06-2021, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

It seems the careers of headcase QBs only get worse with time -- their skills naturally diminish with time and the psych issues remain.

Remember that we are trying to fix stupid here. They say it can't be done but I'm happy to give Payton a chance fix him.

AsylumGuido · 02-06-2021, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Remember that we are trying to fix stupid here. They say it can't be done but I'm happy to give Payton a chance fix him.

From every indication Winston is actually quite intelligent. Far from stupid. We have all made questionable decisions when we were younger.

lee909 · 02-06-2021, 03:28 PM

The Winston of his first few years in the league will be fine. Outside of his first season he didn't have a RB to really on for a start. Look how many passes he was attempting per season. Now that's not to say many picks where not his fault. He played under 3 head coaches in 4 years and had Dirk Koetter and Todd Monken as OC. Outside of Koetter hanging onto the play of Ryan and Jones they have sucked.

Not going to say he is the long term guy but he isn't the disaster people think. Well unless that one season under Adrian's when they pretty much told him he was gone after the season is who he is. And playing behind some god awful offensive lines. Don't ask him to be a 600 attempts a season guy. I think you have a 25-30 TD, 3500-4000 yard QB.

Alot depends on the money. I'd imagine it will be a 3/4 year deal with one year being voidable and in the 15-18ml range. The interesting thing will be Taysum Hill a FA after this year, does he accept he is a gadget player and should be paid as a WR2/TE or does he go looking for a QB deal. I'd love to see him move to a non QB threat. Let him run and catch and have him as QB3 keeping roster spots open.

neugey · 02-06-2021, 04:08 PM

Winston's floor: Aaron Brooks. Ceiling: Kurt Warner
Taysom Hill's floor: Tim Tebow. Ceiling: Steve Young

Do you take the major roll of the dice with Hill, knowing if goes wrong he will wash out quickly like Tebow? The Winston choice is 'safer', because at worst case like Aaron Brooks we'd have a productive offense, just one that is frustrating and mistake-prone.

lee909 · 02-06-2021, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Winston's floor: Aaron Brooks. Ceiling: Kurt Warner
Taysom Hill's floor: Tim Tebow. Ceiling: Steve Young

Do you take the major roll of the dice with Hill, knowing if goes wrong he will wash out quickly like Tebow? The Winston choice is 'safer', because at worst case like Aaron Brooks we'd have a productive offense, just one that is frustrating and mistake-prone.

Yeah thats a good point
Really depends on how much you like Winston and how much he wants imho
If he is asking for 18-20ml a year and a multi year deal its a big risk. Taysum you can take the risk he is the guy and give him this year to secure the spot and if it goes wrong you need to get someone in for next season and you have the cap to do it.

If a deal can't be done for Winston i would be offering the Jags a 3rd or possibly a 2nd for Minshew, he still has two years on a rookie deal and has shown plenty for me to at least be a short term bridge QB

Rell&Gold · 02-06-2021, 04:57 PM

Winston is waaaay better than Aaron Brook so we're making it to the middle floor at least

st thomas · 02-06-2021, 09:23 PM

This is a report from myself and what I hear on sports radio shows and it’s has some legitimacy , Tampa bay was hit by the goodel syndrome in 2019 with there Gruel and unusual punishment schedule, like from Seattle to London 5 road games with that I ain’t diggin it up so y’all google it. They had a team that was no joke it was a wild arse Arians that had Winston going for broke with like someone said above because of a lack of a running game. Look Winston was in every game till the end . I’m curious if Payton can hone this cat.

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02-05-2021, 06:50 PM	#11
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by dizzle88 I loved the idea of Taysom running the West Coast offense, but when he refused to hit Kamara on a screen vs Denver when he was wide open, and then Brett Favre'd a pass right at Kamara's head from 5 yards away vs Eagles I'd seen enough. He just doesn't recognise passing concepts and defenses quick enough to run a 3 or 4 receiver offense. As Deuce said on multiple gamedays about Taysom - PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER!!! That still makes me laugh my ass off. Kamara was so visibly annoyed when Taysom was starting.

02-05-2021, 06:57 PM	#12
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by dizzle88 I loved the idea of Taysom running the West Coast offense, but when he refused to hit Kamara on a screen vs Denver when he was wide open, and then Brett Favre'd a pass right at Kamara's head from 5 yards away vs Eagles I'd seen enough. He just doesn't recognise passing concepts and defenses quick enough to run a 3 or 4 receiver offense. As Deuce said on multiple gamedays about Taysom - PULL THE DAMN TRIGGER!!! I was OK with him as a passer in general, but he needs to learn that sometimes you JUST TAKE THE SACK, live to fight another day and turnovers end the day. And yeah, he'd need to get more in sync with AK if he became starter. I'd like to see a honest "best man wins" between the two but I expect (if signed) JW will probably get the start with Hill as a weapon.

02-05-2021, 07:09 PM	#13
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02-06-2021, 01:25 PM	#14
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by Flipx99 It seems the careers of headcase QBs only get worse with time -- their skills naturally diminish with time and the psych issues remain. Remember that we are trying to fix stupid here. They say it can't be done but I'm happy to give Payton a chance fix him.

02-06-2021, 02:47 PM	#15
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Remember that we are trying to fix stupid here. They say it can't be done but I'm happy to give Payton a chance fix him. From every indication Winston is actually quite intelligent. Far from stupid. We have all made questionable decisions when we were younger. Rugby Saint II, gosaints1, Rell&Gold and 2 others like this.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,725 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' The Winston of his first few years in the league will be fine. Outside of his first season he didn't have a RB to really on for a start. Look how many passes he was attempting per season. Now that's not to say many picks where not his fault. He played under 3 head coaches in 4 years and had Dirk Koetter and Todd Monken as OC. Outside of Koetter hanging onto the play of Ryan and Jones they have sucked. Not going to say he is the long term guy but he isn't the disaster people think. Well unless that one season under Adrian's when they pretty much told him he was gone after the season is who he is. And playing behind some god awful offensive lines. Don't ask him to be a 600 attempts a season guy. I think you have a 25-30 TD, 3500-4000 yard QB. Alot depends on the money. I'd imagine it will be a 3/4 year deal with one year being voidable and in the 15-18ml range. The interesting thing will be Taysum Hill a FA after this year, does he accept he is a gadget player and should be paid as a WR2/TE or does he go looking for a QB deal. I'd love to see him move to a non QB threat. Let him run and catch and have him as QB3 keeping roster spots open.
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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,591 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Winston's floor: Aaron Brooks. Ceiling: Kurt Warner Taysom Hill's floor: Tim Tebow. Ceiling: Steve Young Do you take the major roll of the dice with Hill, knowing if goes wrong he will wash out quickly like Tebow? The Winston choice is 'safer', because at worst case like Aaron Brooks we'd have a productive offense, just one that is frustrating and mistake-prone.

02-06-2021, 04:44 PM	#18
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,725 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by neugey Winston's floor: Aaron Brooks. Ceiling: Kurt Warner Taysom Hill's floor: Tim Tebow. Ceiling: Steve Young Do you take the major roll of the dice with Hill, knowing if goes wrong he will wash out quickly like Tebow? The Winston choice is 'safer', because at worst case like Aaron Brooks we'd have a productive offense, just one that is frustrating and mistake-prone. Yeah thats a good point Really depends on how much you like Winston and how much he wants imho If he is asking for 18-20ml a year and a multi year deal its a big risk. Taysum you can take the risk he is the guy and give him this year to secure the spot and if it goes wrong you need to get someone in for next season and you have the cap to do it. If a deal can't be done for Winston i would be offering the Jags a 3rd or possibly a 2nd for Minshew, he still has two years on a rookie deal and has shown plenty for me to at least be a short term bridge QB
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

02-06-2021, 04:57 PM	#19
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Winston is waaaay better than Aaron Brook so we're making it to the middle floor at least

02-06-2021, 09:23 PM	#20
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' This is a report from myself and what I hear on sports radio shows and it’s has some legitimacy , Tampa bay was hit by the goodel syndrome in 2019 with there Gruel and unusual punishment schedule, like from Seattle to London 5 road games with that I ain’t diggin it up so y’all google it. They had a team that was no joke it was a wild arse Arians that had Winston going for broke with like someone said above because of a lack of a running game. Look Winston was in every game till the end . I’m curious if Payton can hone this cat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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