Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'

voodooido · 02-16-2021, 07:59 AM

Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-16-2021, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston.

Two likely reasons. The first is that he gave Hill, based on a prior promise, his shot when Brees went down and it was obvious there were some flaws in those outings. Second is that Payton, unlike us, has gotten to see Winston for a year in meetings and on the practice field.

Either could have swayed Payton. Or, he could just be doing a puff-up job on Winston to get him a better offer somewhere else to get a compensatory pick. I mean really who knows?

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 02-16-2021, 12:41 PM

I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid.

gosaints1 · 02-16-2021, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid.

Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view.

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”.

iceshack149 · 02-17-2021, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view.

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”.

Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life.

We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not.

AsylumGuido · 02-17-2021, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life.

We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not.

Those things supposedly happened before going to Tampa, as well. From all accounts he was a model citizen the whole time he has been in the NFL. I'd imagine most of us had at least a few incidents in college that would qualify as "stupid".

Rugby Saint II · 02-17-2021, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view.

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”.

Mostly it's not the stupid stuff he did in college. It's the stupid stuff he did on the field while playing for Tampa. I just can't imagine changing my opinion on the guy I watched twice a year for four years committing stupid mistake after stupid mistake. I respect the Wonderlik but some people takes tests well and still fail in life.

gosaints1 · 02-17-2021, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Mostly it's not the stupid stuff he did in college. It's the stupid stuff he did on the field while playing for Tampa. I just can't imagine changing my opinion on the guy I watched twice a year for four years committing stupid mistake after stupid mistake. I respect the Wonderlik but some people takes tests well and still fail in life.

Yes, I see your line of reasoning, but isn’t that more of an immaturity issue as opposed to an intellectual issue. Winston was a 4.0gpa student out of high school. Stanford recruited him, I’ll say that again - STANFORD recruited him. And before anyone makes the allegation that he was a highly touted athlete that Stanford wanted, I’ll remind them that Stanford doesn’t turn on tape of a recruit until that person’s academic portfolio is evaluated.

My guess? Immaturity (in all truthiness it knows no age limit) combined with an atmosphere that enables college athletes to act like Gods, aka they can do what they want and get away with it, is what we have seen in Winston. Not intelligence. I consider myself just of average intelligence, and I’ve not been evaluated by, and admitted to Stanford.

To me, being admitted to Stanford says something wrt a person’s “stupid” level. Immaturity and privilege notwithstanding. Trust me, I understand the argument that he has made some really boneheaded decisions/choices, haven’t we all though, lol. “Stupid” though? I’m not going down that road.

Rugby Saint II · 02-17-2021, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Yes, I see your line of reasoning, but isn’t that more of an immaturity issue as opposed to an intellectual issue. Winston was a 4.0gpa student out of high school. Stanford recruited him, I’ll say that again - STANFORD recruited him. And before anyone makes the allegation that he was a highly touted athlete that Stanford wanted, I’ll remind them that Stanford doesn’t turn on tape of a recruit until that person’s academic portfolio is evaluated.

My guess? Immaturity (in all truthiness it knows no age limit) combined with an atmosphere that enables college athletes to act like Gods, aka they can do what they want and get away with it, is what we have seen in Winston. Not intelligence. I consider myself just of average intelligence, and I’ve not been evaluated by, and admitted to Stanford.

To me, being admitted to Stanford says something wrt a person’s “stupid” level. Immaturity and privilege notwithstanding. Trust me, I understand the argument that he has made some really boneheaded decisions/choices, haven’t we all though, lol. “Stupid” though? I’m not going down that road.

You make good points. I could just say he makes bad decisions on a regular basis. Can Payton retrain him? We'll see. Like I said, it's hard to pull for someone that you believe is a fool. He may be smart but he's not very sharp.imho I've come around to thinking that Sean may be able to correct his problems. You can't fix stupid is an old saying kind of like hold my beer and watch this.

neugey · 02-17-2021, 10:18 AM

If Payton sticks with Hill as the heir apparent, then Winston is surely going to leave in free agency. Payton is putting his best foot forward to try to keep Winston at something close to last year's rate and give the team more options to work with. I think the QB situation could still be wide open going into June and July.

02-16-2021, 07:59 AM	#1
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,850	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston.
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02-16-2021, 10:15 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by voodooido Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston. Two likely reasons. The first is that he gave Hill, based on a prior promise, his shot when Brees went down and it was obvious there were some flaws in those outings. Second is that Payton, unlike us, has gotten to see Winston for a year in meetings and on the practice field. Either could have swayed Payton. Or, he could just be doing a puff-up job on Winston to get him a better offer somewhere else to get a compensatory pick. I mean really who knows? SFIAH jnormand, Rugby Saint II, voodooido and 2 others like this.

02-16-2021, 12:41 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid. jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

02-16-2021, 06:36 PM	#4
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid. Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view. https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”. K Major likes this.
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02-17-2021, 10:06 AM	#5
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,456 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by gosaints1 Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view. https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”. Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life. We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-17-2021, 10:18 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by iceshack149 Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life. We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not. Those things supposedly happened before going to Tampa, as well. From all accounts he was a model citizen the whole time he has been in the NFL. I'd imagine most of us had at least a few incidents in college that would qualify as "stupid".

02-17-2021, 11:35 AM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by gosaints1 Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view. https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”. Mostly it's not the stupid stuff he did in college. It's the stupid stuff he did on the field while playing for Tampa. I just can't imagine changing my opinion on the guy I watched twice a year for four years committing stupid mistake after stupid mistake. I respect the Wonderlik but some people takes tests well and still fail in life. jnormand and gosaints1 like this.

02-17-2021, 11:59 AM	#8
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Mostly it's not the stupid stuff he did in college. It's the stupid stuff he did on the field while playing for Tampa. I just can't imagine changing my opinion on the guy I watched twice a year for four years committing stupid mistake after stupid mistake. I respect the Wonderlik but some people takes tests well and still fail in life. Yes, I see your line of reasoning, but isn’t that more of an immaturity issue as opposed to an intellectual issue. Winston was a 4.0gpa student out of high school. Stanford recruited him, I’ll say that again - STANFORD recruited him. And before anyone makes the allegation that he was a highly touted athlete that Stanford wanted, I’ll remind them that Stanford doesn’t turn on tape of a recruit until that person’s academic portfolio is evaluated. My guess? Immaturity (in all truthiness it knows no age limit) combined with an atmosphere that enables college athletes to act like Gods, aka they can do what they want and get away with it, is what we have seen in Winston. Not intelligence. I consider myself just of average intelligence, and I’ve not been evaluated by, and admitted to Stanford. To me, being admitted to Stanford says something wrt a person’s “stupid” level. Immaturity and privilege notwithstanding. Trust me, I understand the argument that he has made some really boneheaded decisions/choices, haven’t we all though, lol. “Stupid” though? I’m not going down that road. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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02-17-2021, 12:27 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by gosaints1 Yes, I see your line of reasoning, but isn’t that more of an immaturity issue as opposed to an intellectual issue. Winston was a 4.0gpa student out of high school. Stanford recruited him, I’ll say that again - STANFORD recruited him. And before anyone makes the allegation that he was a highly touted athlete that Stanford wanted, I’ll remind them that Stanford doesn’t turn on tape of a recruit until that person’s academic portfolio is evaluated. My guess? Immaturity (in all truthiness it knows no age limit) combined with an atmosphere that enables college athletes to act like Gods, aka they can do what they want and get away with it, is what we have seen in Winston. Not intelligence. I consider myself just of average intelligence, and I’ve not been evaluated by, and admitted to Stanford. To me, being admitted to Stanford says something wrt a person’s “stupid” level. Immaturity and privilege notwithstanding. Trust me, I understand the argument that he has made some really boneheaded decisions/choices, haven’t we all though, lol. “Stupid” though? I’m not going down that road. You make good points. I could just say he makes bad decisions on a regular basis. Can Payton retrain him? We'll see. Like I said, it's hard to pull for someone that you believe is a fool. He may be smart but he's not very sharp.imho I've come around to thinking that Sean may be able to correct his problems. You can't fix stupid is an old saying kind of like hold my beer and watch this. jnormand likes this.

02-17-2021, 10:18 AM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' If Payton sticks with Hill as the heir apparent, then Winston is surely going to leave in free agency. Payton is putting his best foot forward to try to keep Winston at something close to last year's rate and give the team more options to work with. I think the QB situation could still be wide open going into June and July.