Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'

voodooido · 02-16-2021, 08:59 AM

Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-16-2021, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston.

Two likely reasons. The first is that he gave Hill, based on a prior promise, his shot when Brees went down and it was obvious there were some flaws in those outings. Second is that Payton, unlike us, has gotten to see Winston for a year in meetings and on the practice field.

Either could have swayed Payton. Or, he could just be doing a puff-up job on Winston to get him a better offer somewhere else to get a compensatory pick. I mean really who knows?

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 02-16-2021, 01:41 PM

I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid.

gosaints1 · 02-16-2021, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid.

Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view.

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”.

iceshack149 · 02-17-2021, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view.

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”.

Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life.

We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not.

neugey · 02-17-2021, 11:18 AM

If Payton sticks with Hill as the heir apparent, then Winston is surely going to leave in free agency. Payton is putting his best foot forward to try to keep Winston at something close to last year's rate and give the team more options to work with. I think the QB situation could still be wide open going into June and July.

AsylumGuido · 02-17-2021, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life.

We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not.

Those things supposedly happened before going to Tampa, as well. From all accounts he was a model citizen the whole time he has been in the NFL. I'd imagine most of us had at least a few incidents in college that would qualify as "stupid".

Boston Saint · 02-17-2021, 11:36 AM

I’ll put a little different spin on this. If Winston is signed and given the starting job (I’m ok with this), then I don’t see a QB being drafted early (round 1 or
2). By the Saints. I’m guessing Winston will take at least a 3 year deal. I don’t see drafting a guy to ride the bench for that long and then planning on starting him in the last year or 2 of his rookie contract. But, if Winston isn’t signed, I see a QB taken round 1 and a Trubisky or Fitzmagic type signed for a one or 2 year deal. Thoughts?

stickman · 02-17-2021, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’ll put a little different spin on this. If Winston is signed and given the starting job (I’m ok with this), then I don’t see a QB being drafted early (round 1 or
2). By the Saints. I’m guessing Winston will take at least a 3 year deal. I don’t see drafting a guy to ride the bench for that long and then planning on starting him in the last year or 2 of his rookie contract. But, if Winston isn’t signed, I see a QB taken round 1 and a Trubisky or Fitzmagic type signed for a one or 2 year deal. Thoughts?

I'd like to see Winston get a shot.

As for the draft, I think it is going to come down to who is available when they pick. The Saints can't afford to trade up and if a run on QBs starts, they'll be left out by pick 28. Unless they reach a little bit, which is a bad idea.

Boston Saint · 02-17-2021, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I'd like to see Winston get a shot.

As for the draft, I think it is going to come down to who is available when they pick. The Saints can't afford to trade up and if a run on QBs starts, they'll be left out by pick 28. Unless they reach a little bit, which is a bad idea.

Let’s say they do sign Winston, but then a QB they like is a available at 28. Would you draft that QB then Stick ?

02-16-2021, 08:59 AM	#31
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02-16-2021, 11:15 AM	#32
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by voodooido Last year SP picked Hill over Winston. Why the sudden change of heart? He had plenty of time to make the change to Winston and instead, he chose to stick with Hill. IMO Payton is grasping for straws praying Winston can keep the Saints above water. I think the Saints future is in the draft, not currently on the roster. Hill can be a cheaper bridge than Winston. Two likely reasons. The first is that he gave Hill, based on a prior promise, his shot when Brees went down and it was obvious there were some flaws in those outings. Second is that Payton, unlike us, has gotten to see Winston for a year in meetings and on the practice field. Either could have swayed Payton. Or, he could just be doing a puff-up job on Winston to get him a better offer somewhere else to get a compensatory pick. I mean really who knows? SFIAH jnormand, Rugby Saint II, voodooido and 2 others like this.

02-16-2021, 01:41 PM	#33
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid. jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

02-16-2021, 07:36 PM	#34
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I am really settling on the idea of Winston under center next year. Payton can probably get him to be at least a decent QB. Maybe even better. Here's to hoping that Sean can fix stupid. Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view. https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”. K Major likes this.
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02-17-2021, 11:06 AM	#35
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by gosaints1 Why do you call him “stupid”? Serious question here, what exactly is it that makes you think he is “stupid”? From an unbiased, academic evaluation..., he (Wonderlik of 27) and Drew Brees (Wonderlik of 28) are roughly equivalent from an intellectual point of view. https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ I truly don’t get the argument that Drew Brees is quick, sharp as a tack, while Winston is “stupid” and needs to be “CSP fixed”. Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life. We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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02-17-2021, 11:18 AM	#36
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' If Payton sticks with Hill as the heir apparent, then Winston is surely going to leave in free agency. Payton is putting his best foot forward to try to keep Winston at something close to last year's rate and give the team more options to work with. I think the QB situation could still be wide open going into June and July.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by iceshack149 Do a quick search on Winston and you'll find evidence stupid behavior. He's been accused of rape and theft among other things--before coming to New Orleans. I'm hopeful that he's working to be a better man and I'm all about people that work on their character to grow in life. We all desire grace whether we deserve it or not. Those things supposedly happened before going to Tampa, as well. From all accounts he was a model citizen the whole time he has been in the NFL. I'd imagine most of us had at least a few incidents in college that would qualify as "stupid".

02-17-2021, 11:36 AM	#38
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02-17-2021, 11:43 AM	#39
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,687	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’ll put a little different spin on this. If Winston is signed and given the starting job (I’m ok with this), then I don’t see a QB being drafted early (round 1 or 2). By the Saints. I’m guessing Winston will take at least a 3 year deal. I don’t see drafting a guy to ride the bench for that long and then planning on starting him in the last year or 2 of his rookie contract. But, if Winston isn’t signed, I see a QB taken round 1 and a Trubisky or Fitzmagic type signed for a one or 2 year deal. Thoughts? I'd like to see Winston get a shot. As for the draft, I think it is going to come down to who is available when they pick. The Saints can't afford to trade up and if a run on QBs starts, they'll be left out by pick 28. Unless they reach a little bit, which is a bad idea.

02-17-2021, 12:20 PM	#40
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later' Originally Posted by stickman I'd like to see Winston get a shot. As for the draft, I think it is going to come down to who is available when they pick. The Saints can't afford to trade up and if a run on QBs starts, they'll be left out by pick 28. Unless they reach a little bit, which is a bad idea. Let’s say they do sign Winston, but then a QB they like is a available at 28. Would you draft that QB then Stick ?