I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

AsylumGuido · 02-08-2023, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I'm wondering if Mickey is thinking about striking a deal for Carr now, so he doesn't get cut by Raiders and go to free agency where he could select another team over us, especially for financial reasons. It does make sense, because Carr is pretty much all by himself on Tier 2 of all available non-rookie QB's ... Lamar is alone on Tier 1 and basically everyone else (Dalton, Bridgewater, Brissett, etc.) is on Tier 3 or lower. Gut is telling me we pull the trigger and he doesn't get to free agency. Mickey loves renegotiating as we go to navigate the cap concerns, the whole buy-now-pay-later mentality (for better or worse).

Don't forget that Carr has a no trade clause in his contract and he has to okay any trade. The final decision has to come down to him. We need to sell him now on his future with us.

neugey · 02-08-2023, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Don't forget that Carr has a no trade clause in his contract and he has to okay any trade. The final decision has to come down to him. We need to sell him now on his future with us.

Agreed, but two things are working in our favor for him to permit the trade - (1) he has a pretty good contract right now and might want it continue rather than risk next deal will be lesser in term and dollars. Coming off a down-year, now may not be a good time to hit the market and (2) he's played for DA before.

Oh and (3) he'd instantly be the best QB in the division.

halloween 65 · 02-08-2023, 05:48 PM

I like McCee, big qb. will have to develop but reminds me of Big Ben
Duggan-i just like his style of play, tough guy, gunslinger
McCall- my favorite to develop good size, accurate as he!! and can run
Haener is my sleeper pick at qb. Farve traits but not a big qb
All these guys should be from the 2nd to the late 4th not killing us on #1. Lots of cushion this year on qb.'s

K Major · 02-08-2023, 06:39 PM

Good take from Matt.

Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube

Mr.Riaton · 02-08-2023, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Good take from Matt.

Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube

He makes some really good points, but I don’t necessarily agree with comparing Carr to a 32 year old Dalton…to many variables to make it a fair assessment imo. If we get a rejuvenated Carr that’s motivated and ready to redeem himself then it’ll be great. Its definitely a gamble. I do not under any circumstances want to trade for him. Let him hit free agency and offer a fair contract that is appealing to both sides and if he chooses another team instead then it is what it is. We can look to the draft for a qb and continue to build this team

SmashMouth · 02-08-2023, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Good take from Matt.

Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

He makes some really good points, but I don’t necessarily agree with comparing Carr to a 32 year old Dalton…to many variables to make it a fair assessment imo. If we get a rejuvenated Carr that’s motivated and ready to redeem himself then it’ll be great. Its definitely a gamble. I do not under any circumstances want to trade for him. Let him hit free agency and offer a fair contract that is appealing to both sides and if he chooses another team instead then it is what it is. We can look to the draft for a qb and continue to build this team

Matt was all in for Deshawn Watson last year. That would have been the worst in Saints history, with all due respect.

subguy · 02-09-2023, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Good take from Matt.

Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube

A pretty realistic take IMO...We all know Dalton was not a long-term answer, I do think he unfortunately was the best answer last year. I still feel if deals are to be made, they need to be made with a future in mind. Maybe you hold Dalton this year, and pay him 10 million and deal for the future.

I do not think there is any fix for the "NOW". There are quite a few weaknesses all around. I don't think you kill the team and totally rebuild, but I do think we bring in or draft a few key pieces. TE, OL, RB and Safety.

Saints are in a tough position, but they are have been for quite a few years.

K Major · 02-09-2023, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

I do not think there is any fix for the "NOW". There are quite a few weaknesses all around. I don't think you kill the team and totally rebuild, but I do think we bring in or draft a few key pieces. TE, OL, RB and Safety.

Saints are in a tough position, but they are have been for quite a few years.

Accurate.

The Saints need a lot. IMO, this team is 2, or 3 years away from truly competing.

halloween 65 · 02-08-2023, 06:41 PM

Gonna need a TE and some fresh legged rb's for Carr.
Michael Mayer( Michael Meyers) TE-Notre Dame
Zach Charbonnette-rb- UCLA
Kenny McIntosh-rb- Georgia
Tyjae Spears- rb- Tulane
I threw in a G also
Jarrett Patterson- plug and play
Trade Kamara for a pick and go.

SmashMouth · 02-08-2023, 09:25 PM

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02-08-2023, 06:25 PM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Don't forget that Carr has a no trade clause in his contract and he has to okay any trade. The final decision has to come down to him. We need to sell him now on his future with us. Agreed, but two things are working in our favor for him to permit the trade - (1) he has a pretty good contract right now and might want it continue rather than risk next deal will be lesser in term and dollars. Coming off a down-year, now may not be a good time to hit the market and (2) he's played for DA before. Oh and (3) he'd instantly be the best QB in the division. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

02-08-2023, 05:48 PM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr I like McCee, big qb. will have to develop but reminds me of Big Ben Duggan-i just like his style of play, tough guy, gunslinger McCall- my favorite to develop good size, accurate as he!! and can run Haener is my sleeper pick at qb. Farve traits but not a big qb All these guys should be from the 2nd to the late 4th not killing us on #1. Lots of cushion this year on qb.'s

02-08-2023, 07:30 PM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by K Major Good take from Matt. Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube He makes some really good points, but I don’t necessarily agree with comparing Carr to a 32 year old Dalton…to many variables to make it a fair assessment imo. If we get a rejuvenated Carr that’s motivated and ready to redeem himself then it’ll be great. Its definitely a gamble. I do not under any circumstances want to trade for him. Let him hit free agency and offer a fair contract that is appealing to both sides and if he chooses another team instead then it is what it is. We can look to the draft for a qb and continue to build this team UK_WhoDat and jnormand like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by K Major Good take from Matt. Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton He makes some really good points, but I don’t necessarily agree with comparing Carr to a 32 year old Dalton…to many variables to make it a fair assessment imo. If we get a rejuvenated Carr that’s motivated and ready to redeem himself then it’ll be great. Its definitely a gamble. I do not under any circumstances want to trade for him. Let him hit free agency and offer a fair contract that is appealing to both sides and if he chooses another team instead then it is what it is. We can look to the draft for a qb and continue to build this team Matt was all in for Deshawn Watson last year. That would have been the worst in Saints history, with all due respect. AsylumGuido likes this.

02-09-2023, 05:57 AM	#7
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by K Major Good take from Matt. Why Derek Carr Trade Would Be Worst Move in SAINTS HISTORY!!! - YouTube A pretty realistic take IMO...We all know Dalton was not a long-term answer, I do think he unfortunately was the best answer last year. I still feel if deals are to be made, they need to be made with a future in mind. Maybe you hold Dalton this year, and pay him 10 million and deal for the future. I do not think there is any fix for the "NOW". There are quite a few weaknesses all around. I don't think you kill the team and totally rebuild, but I do think we bring in or draft a few key pieces. TE, OL, RB and Safety. Saints are in a tough position, but they are have been for quite a few years. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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02-08-2023, 06:13 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,757	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by neugey I'm wondering if Mickey is thinking about striking a deal for Carr now, so he doesn't get cut by Raiders and go to free agency where he could select another team over us, especially for financial reasons. It does make sense, because Carr is pretty much all by himself on Tier 2 of all available non-rookie QB's ... Lamar is alone on Tier 1 and basically everyone else (Dalton, Bridgewater, Brissett, etc.) is on Tier 3 or lower. Gut is telling me we pull the trigger and he doesn't get to free agency. Mickey loves renegotiating as we go to navigate the cap concerns, the whole buy-now-pay-later mentality (for better or worse). Don't forget that Carr has a no trade clause in his contract and he has to okay any trade. The final decision has to come down to him. We need to sell him now on his future with us. neugey likes this.

02-09-2023, 10:42 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by subguy I do not think there is any fix for the "NOW". There are quite a few weaknesses all around. I don't think you kill the team and totally rebuild, but I do think we bring in or draft a few key pieces. TE, OL, RB and Safety. Saints are in a tough position, but they are have been for quite a few years. Accurate. The Saints need a lot. IMO, this team is 2, or 3 years away from truly competing. subguy, jnormand and BakoSaint like this.

02-08-2023, 06:41 PM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Gonna need a TE and some fresh legged rb's for Carr. Michael Mayer( Michael Meyers) TE-Notre Dame Zach Charbonnette-rb- UCLA Kenny McIntosh-rb- Georgia Tyjae Spears- rb- Tulane I threw in a G also Jarrett Patterson- plug and play Trade Kamara for a pick and go. SmashMouth likes this.

02-08-2023, 09:25 PM	#10
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Twitter AsylumGuido likes this.