I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

Boston Saint · 02-10-2021, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If he knew for a fact he was going to retire he would have already announced that fact. That leads me to believe he's doing exactly what he said and seriously considering all options, just as he has done each of the past four off-seasons. He very well may end up deciding to retire, but with an extremely team friendly contract already in place for the 2021 season the opportunity to return remains very plausible.

I saw a video yesterday Guido that may have an answer on this. It seemed to indicate that if he retires before a certain date (sometime in June if I remember correctly) then about 11 million in cap hit comes into play. If it is after that date, then it doesn’t. So, he could have made his mind up but can’t say so yet without putting a dent in the Saint’s financial situation.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2021, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I saw a video yesterday Guido that may have an answer on this. It seemed to indicate that if he retires before a certain date (sometime in June if I remember correctly) then about 11 million in cap hit comes into play. If it is after that date, then it doesn’t. So, he could have made his mind up but can’t say so yet without putting a dent in the Saint’s financial situation.

June 1st is the date that remaining guarantees are carried into the following years. Yes, the date is important, but I believe just announcing the decision to retire doesn't trigger anything. What is important is when the papers are officially sent to the league office. He can announce he plans to retire today, but it doesn't become official until those papers arrive.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2021, 09:37 AM

Maybe so. I’m not saying I’m correct, but the vid I watched seemed to indicate it did matter. In fact one guy mentioned Godell coming down on the Saints for violating the “spirit of the law” for doing this if Brees does in fact know he is retiring. Again, I wouldn’t bet money on it though.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2021, 10:18 AM

3:10 mark they talk about it.

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AsylumGuido · 02-10-2021, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

3:10 mark they talk about it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2kUG0isgFM&t=210s

I listened to the interview. They both said that it has been based upon the date the paperwork is delivered. That has always been my understanding for trades or cuts specifically, but a retirement would fall under the exact same guidelines. What they appeared to be saying is that IF there was a way to screw the Saints over, Goodell would. This is a commonly used rule so I don't think there would be an issue. That said, I'm still not counting Brees as retired until he makes an announcement and I don't think he's made any announcement yet because he hasn't made that decision.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2021, 12:03 PM

And I think he has made his decision. And I think not announcing it until after June 1 is important.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2021, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

And I think he has made his decision. And I think not announcing it until after June 1 is important.

I'd be willing to place a wager on that. I'll bet you that he will announce his intentions (return or retire) well before the June 1st timeframe.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2021, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'd be willing to place a wager on that. I'll bet you that he will announce his intentions (return or retire) well before the June 1st timeframe.

How about a hurricane at Patty’ Os ?

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2021, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

How about a hurricane at Patty’ Os ?

Make mine a Long Island Ice Tea and you've got it.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2021, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Make mine a Long Island Ice Tea and you've got it.

Deal LOL. Last time I was at Pats (3 plus yea are) there was a Bachelorette party in the courtyard corner. I was meeting up with my Ca friend Matt to party up. We shared a table with them until a rat scurried underfoot and they noticed them running on the vine covered walls. Almost caused a riot ! Winner gets a round Next time we can all be at Pats.

02-10-2021, 07:02 AM	#21
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If he knew for a fact he was going to retire he would have already announced that fact. That leads me to believe he's doing exactly what he said and seriously considering all options, just as he has done each of the past four off-seasons. He very well may end up deciding to retire, but with an extremely team friendly contract already in place for the 2021 season the opportunity to return remains very plausible. I saw a video yesterday Guido that may have an answer on this. It seemed to indicate that if he retires before a certain date (sometime in June if I remember correctly) then about 11 million in cap hit comes into play. If it is after that date, then it doesn’t. So, he could have made his mind up but can’t say so yet without putting a dent in the Saint’s financial situation.

02-10-2021, 08:25 AM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Boston Saint I saw a video yesterday Guido that may have an answer on this. It seemed to indicate that if he retires before a certain date (sometime in June if I remember correctly) then about 11 million in cap hit comes into play. If it is after that date, then it doesn’t. So, he could have made his mind up but can’t say so yet without putting a dent in the Saint’s financial situation. June 1st is the date that remaining guarantees are carried into the following years. Yes, the date is important, but I believe just announcing the decision to retire doesn't trigger anything. What is important is when the papers are officially sent to the league office. He can announce he plans to retire today, but it doesn't become official until those papers arrive. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

02-10-2021, 09:37 AM	#23
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Maybe so. I’m not saying I’m correct, but the vid I watched seemed to indicate it did matter. In fact one guy mentioned Godell coming down on the Saints for violating the “spirit of the law” for doing this if Brees does in fact know he is retiring. Again, I wouldn’t bet money on it though.

02-10-2021, 11:42 AM	#25
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Boston Saint 3:10 mark they talk about it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2kUG0isgFM&t=210s I listened to the interview. They both said that it has been based upon the date the paperwork is delivered. That has always been my understanding for trades or cuts specifically, but a retirement would fall under the exact same guidelines. What they appeared to be saying is that IF there was a way to screw the Saints over, Goodell would. This is a commonly used rule so I don't think there would be an issue. That said, I'm still not counting Brees as retired until he makes an announcement and I don't think he's made any announcement yet because he hasn't made that decision.
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02-10-2021, 12:03 PM	#26
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr And I think he has made his decision. And I think not announcing it until after June 1 is important.

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02-10-2021, 12:12 PM	#27
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Boston Saint And I think he has made his decision. And I think not announcing it until after June 1 is important. I'd be willing to place a wager on that. I'll bet you that he will announce his intentions (return or retire) well before the June 1st timeframe.

02-10-2021, 12:23 PM	#28
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'd be willing to place a wager on that. I'll bet you that he will announce his intentions (return or retire) well before the June 1st timeframe. How about a hurricane at Patty’ Os ?

02-10-2021, 12:26 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Boston Saint How about a hurricane at Patty’ Os ? Make mine a Long Island Ice Tea and you've got it.

02-10-2021, 12:33 PM	#30
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Make mine a Long Island Ice Tea and you've got it. Deal LOL. Last time I was at Pats (3 plus yea are) there was a Bachelorette party in the courtyard corner. I was meeting up with my Ca friend Matt to party up. We shared a table with them until a rat scurried underfoot and they noticed them running on the vine covered walls. Almost caused a riot ! Winner gets a round Next time we can all be at Pats. Rugby Saint II likes this.