I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

Mr.Riaton · 03-03-2023, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Within a couple of years $35 million for a quality starting QB is going to be a steal.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...68921953574912

A five year deal at $35 million average would be great. A vet minimum of $1.165 million first year and a $34 million signing bonus would work out to a 2023 cap hit of $7.965 million and should leave us about $20 million open cap for further free agency. Carr would go for that as he would have over $35 million in his pocket year one.

If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great.

SmashMouth · 03-03-2023, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great.

That's what they want you to believe. The NFL and RG think we're fools. We shouldn't let them think that.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2023, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

That's what they want you to believe. The NFL and RG think we're fools. We shouldn't let them think that.

What do they want us to believe? You lost me on that one, Smash.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

That's what they want you to believe. The NFL and RG think we're fools. We shouldn't let them think that.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What do they want us to believe? You lost me on that one, Smash.

I'm still wondering what you were talking about with this statement, however.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2023, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great.

This is a very similar structure to what Loomis and Harley have negotiated with newly signed free agents in the past.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2023, 10:07 AM

Here is a spotrac.com proposal for a Daniel Jones $40 million a year deal just to show the structure I proposed for Carr and the Saints. Note the low year one cap hit, but Jones would still get $52 million in cash in that first year with only $12.5M counting toward the cap. Subsequent years all carry a roster bonus that can be converted to a signing bonus and further prorated, if need be. That's the Harley/Loomis principle.

SmashMouth · 03-04-2023, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Here is a spotrac.com proposal for a Daniel Jones $40 million a year deal just to show the structure I proposed for Carr and the Saints. Note the low year one cap hit, but Jones would still get $52 million in cash in that first year with only $12.5M counting toward the cap. Subsequent years all carry a roster bonus that can be converted to a signing bonus and further prorated, if need be. That's the Harley/Loomis principle.

https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1632013665976057860

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No thank you.

AsylumGuido · 03-04-2023, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

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No thank you.

Welcome to the 21st century, Smash. Twenty short years ago the NFL team caps were $79 million. Today they are $224.8 million. By the end of the decade they'll be over $300 million. This is 2023, not 1993, which by the way predated the first cap in 1994 of $34.6 million.

The CBA mandates that the cap, which is tied to the revenues (mostly broadcast deals) must be applied. Ignore the numbers if they stress you so. The broadcast partners are the ones spending the money.

03-03-2023, 08:26 PM	#1
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,291	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Within a couple of years $35 million for a quality starting QB is going to be a steal. https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...68921953574912 A five year deal at $35 million average would be great. A vet minimum of $1.165 million first year and a $34 million signing bonus would work out to a 2023 cap hit of $7.965 million and should leave us about $20 million open cap for further free agency. Carr would go for that as he would have over $35 million in his pocket year one. If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great.

03-03-2023, 09:22 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great. That's what they want you to believe. The NFL and RG think we're fools. We shouldn't let them think that.

03-04-2023, 09:32 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by SmashMouth That's what they want you to believe. The NFL and RG think we're fools. We shouldn't let them think that. What do they want us to believe? You lost me on that one, Smash.

03-04-2023, 12:32 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by SmashMouth That's what they want you to believe. The NFL and RG think we're fools. We shouldn't let them think that. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What do they want us to believe? You lost me on that one, Smash. I'm still wondering what you were talking about with this statement, however.

03-04-2023, 09:41 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton If this is accurate, then I’m good with going for Carr…especially if we can have that much cap available to spend afterwards. Then we could spend in FA including retaining our own valuable FAs. If we hit well in the draft on top of that I’ll be a happy camper. Ultimately I want to fill out this roster with quality players, and if we can do that and get Carr also, then great. This is a very similar structure to what Loomis and Harley have negotiated with newly signed free agents in the past.

03-04-2023, 10:07 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Here is a spotrac.com proposal for a Daniel Jones $40 million a year deal just to show the structure I proposed for Carr and the Saints. Note the low year one cap hit, but Jones would still get $52 million in cash in that first year with only $12.5M counting toward the cap. Subsequent years all carry a roster bonus that can be converted to a signing bonus and further prorated, if need be. That's the Harley/Loomis principle. Twitter

03-04-2023, 10:47 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Here is a spotrac.com proposal for a Daniel Jones $40 million a year deal just to show the structure I proposed for Carr and the Saints. Note the low year one cap hit, but Jones would still get $52 million in cash in that first year with only $12.5M counting toward the cap. Subsequent years all carry a roster bonus that can be converted to a signing bonus and further prorated, if need be. That's the Harley/Loomis principle. https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1632013665976057860 . No thank you.

03-04-2023, 12:31 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by SmashMouth . No thank you. Welcome to the 21st century, Smash. Twenty short years ago the NFL team caps were $79 million. Today they are $224.8 million. By the end of the decade they'll be over $300 million. This is 2023, not 1993, which by the way predated the first cap in 1994 of $34.6 million. The CBA mandates that the cap, which is tied to the revenues (mostly broadcast deals) must be applied. Ignore the numbers if they stress you so. The broadcast partners are the ones spending the money.