ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...

AsylumGuido · 02-16-2021, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I think they are extremely different in the playoffs.

We have consistently been a low turnover offense, yet the playoffs come and they turn it over 4 times.

We consistently score redzone TD's in the regular season, yet settle for FG's in the playoffs and let teams hang around.

I see what you are saying, but all I really see are excuses for a team that has never lived up to its potential.

Good teams tackle Diggs in bounds.
Good teams score TD's and don't let the refs miss a call that decides the game.
And good teams do not only barely win against the Eagles in 2018 and Bears in 2020.

Guess we're not a good team. Oh, well.

dizzle88 · 02-16-2021, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Guess we're not a good team. Oh, well.

As I said earlier, in the regular season yes, in the playoffs absolutely not.

AsylumGuido · 02-16-2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

As I said earlier, in the regular season yes, in the playoffs absolutely not.

Every team in the playoffs are "good teams". Some happen to be "gooder" on any given day, however.

dizzle88 · 02-16-2021, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Every team in the playoffs are "good teams". Some happen to be "gooder" on any given day, however.

Yes and No.

The Bears and the Redskins were not good teams, they were merely lucky to get there. The Bears were one dropped TD from leading at the half against us. Which at home especially, was pretty embarrassing on our part.

The 2010 Seahawks that beat us were definitely not a good team. I believe that also made us the only team in the playoffs to ever lose to an opponent with a losing record.

That stat that was mentioned recently tells the full story I believe. We are the only team in the Superbowl Era to win 49 games in 4 years and not appear in a Superbowl.

gosaints1 · 02-16-2021, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Guess we're not a good team. Oh, well.

As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped:

“You are what your record says you are”.

CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t.

But, that’s just how I see things.

Boston Saint · 02-16-2021, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped:

“You are what your record says you are”.

CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t.

But, that’s just how I see things.

Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that.

Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential.

gosaints1 · 02-16-2021, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that.

Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential.

Fully understand that logic. I’m not making the claim that New Orleans did, or did not live up to anybody’s arbitrary standards. I’m very simply stating the facts, without excuses, EVERY team makes them, lol. It’s a very good team, still is. With or without Drew Brees under center.

Regardless, there is Tom Brady, then everybody else..., unfortunately. But, let’s dig a tad deeper.

1) Rothlisberger is 13-9 with 2 SB’s
2) Rodgers is 11-9 with 1 SB
3) Joe Flacco is 10-5 with 1 SB
4) Wilson is 9-7 with 1 SB
5) Brees is 9-8 with 1 SB.

Those are the active QB’s above. Some inactive (retired) QB’s below, who played during the same period of time, aka the Brees era.

1) PManning is 14-13 with 2 SB’s (multiple SB teams)
2) EManning is 8-4 with 2 SB’s
3) Mahomes is 6-2 with 1 SB

There are others like Dilfer who is 5-1 with 1 (one) SB, but we’re getting into smaller sample sets now. So, there are teams that have been around year in/out. But I get your point. Heck, Griese is only 6-5..., but he has 2 SB’s and a “perfect” season.

The records are what the records are, for better or worse. They paint a picture..., but not the entire picture.

K Major · 02-19-2021, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped:

“You are what your record says you are”.

CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t.

This is a good listen when you have time. Right off the bat, Detillier talks on our past playoff woes & "pre mature" exits.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000509544006

02-16-2021, 05:44 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I think they are extremely different in the playoffs. We have consistently been a low turnover offense, yet the playoffs come and they turn it over 4 times. We consistently score redzone TD's in the regular season, yet settle for FG's in the playoffs and let teams hang around. I see what you are saying, but all I really see are excuses for a team that has never lived up to its potential. Good teams tackle Diggs in bounds. Good teams score TD's and don't let the refs miss a call that decides the game. And good teams do not only barely win against the Eagles in 2018 and Bears in 2020. Guess we're not a good team. Oh, well.

02-16-2021, 05:45 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Guess we're not a good team. Oh, well. As I said earlier, in the regular season yes, in the playoffs absolutely not.

02-16-2021, 05:46 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 As I said earlier, in the regular season yes, in the playoffs absolutely not. Every team in the playoffs are "good teams". Some happen to be "gooder" on any given day, however.

02-16-2021, 06:19 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Every team in the playoffs are "good teams". Some happen to be "gooder" on any given day, however. Yes and No. The Bears and the Redskins were not good teams, they were merely lucky to get there. The Bears were one dropped TD from leading at the half against us. Which at home especially, was pretty embarrassing on our part. The 2010 Seahawks that beat us were definitely not a good team. I believe that also made us the only team in the playoffs to ever lose to an opponent with a losing record. That stat that was mentioned recently tells the full story I believe. We are the only team in the Superbowl Era to win 49 games in 4 years and not appear in a Superbowl. jeanpierre likes this.
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02-16-2021, 06:49 PM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Guess we're not a good team. Oh, well. As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped: “You are what your record says you are”. CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t. But, that’s just how I see things. Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and K Major like this.
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02-16-2021, 08:37 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by gosaints1 As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped: “You are what your record says you are”. CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t. But, that’s just how I see things. Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that. Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential. gosaints1 likes this.
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02-16-2021, 09:18 PM	#7
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Boston Saint Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that. Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential. Fully understand that logic. I’m not making the claim that New Orleans did, or did not live up to anybody’s arbitrary standards. I’m very simply stating the facts, without excuses, EVERY team makes them, lol. It’s a very good team, still is. With or without Drew Brees under center. Regardless, there is Tom Brady, then everybody else..., unfortunately. But, let’s dig a tad deeper. 1) Rothlisberger is 13-9 with 2 SB’s 2) Rodgers is 11-9 with 1 SB 3) Joe Flacco is 10-5 with 1 SB 4) Wilson is 9-7 with 1 SB 5) Brees is 9-8 with 1 SB. Those are the active QB’s above. Some inactive (retired) QB’s below, who played during the same period of time, aka the Brees era. 1) PManning is 14-13 with 2 SB’s (multiple SB teams) 2) EManning is 8-4 with 2 SB’s 3) Mahomes is 6-2 with 1 SB There are others like Dilfer who is 5-1 with 1 (one) SB, but we’re getting into smaller sample sets now. So, there are teams that have been around year in/out. But I get your point. Heck, Griese is only 6-5..., but he has 2 SB’s and a “perfect” season. The records are what the records are, for better or worse. They paint a picture..., but not the entire picture. jeanpierre, K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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02-19-2021, 02:11 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,824 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by gosaints1 As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped: “You are what your record says you are”. CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t. This is a good listen when you have time. Right off the bat, Detillier talks on our past playoff woes & "pre mature" exits. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000509544006