Latavius Murray

gosaints1 · 02-18-2021, 11:00 AM

IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho.

Edit: Added the following link.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

jeanpierre · 02-18-2021, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho.

Edit: Added the following link.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

gosaints1 · 02-18-2021, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

Depends on pre 6/1 or post 6/1. For example, Cam Jordan has a 2021 cap amount of $18.9M, cutting him pre 6/1 would be dead money of $16.9M and a cap savings of 2.0M. Arguably..., not worth it, right? Change the cut to post 6/1 and his cap hit while still being 18.9M is now only 5M in dead money and a cap savings of $13.9M. Same for E.Sanders and D.Onyemata at 6M and 7.5M respectively, post 6/1.

It’s a fairly well built team though jp, regardless of who is under center..., so all those cuts are going to hurt to a certain degree. And it’s EXACTLY why your argument of “we need draft picks” is more critical now than anytime in recent memory. If we draft replacements well, this team can continue being in the discussion as a contender..., but if we either don’t have the picks or draft replacements poorly, then this team could go into “rebuilding” mode very quickly.

The Dude · 02-18-2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.

jeanpierre · 02-18-2021, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.

Well, in so far as the offensive line, losing Armstead is significant, but our problem is our interior offensive line which is a hot mess...

Peat, despite getting a big, fat contract, is still playing uninspired football; unfortunately his contract makes it prohibitive to release him, nor is he an attractive trade option when you combine his play/contract...

McCoy has really showed some RPMs as a big man who can get out and move to break open big runs; unfortunately he's had to stay inside at Center because Ruiz was unable to take the reigns, to be continued...

Ruiz was unable to grasp the transition to the NFL game; maybe it was because of the abbreviated off-season with the Wuhan viral pandemic; this is the biggest question mark besides quarterback on offense...

And we had to cut our swing-man, Nick Easton due to a serious concussion problem; know the cut, loss of potential income sucks, but I don't want this guy to have more permanent damage...

Worse, because of the corner Payton and Loomis have painted themselves into with our salary cap position, we're unable to take advantage of the terrific guards in the 2021 Free Agency class...

K Major · 02-18-2021, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ruiz was unable to grasp the transition to the NFL game; maybe it was because of the abbreviated off-season with the Wuhan viral pandemic; this is the biggest question mark besides quarterback on offense...

And we had cut our swingman due to a serious concussion problem...

Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit.

I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football.

Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief.

jeanpierre · 02-20-2021, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit.

I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football.

Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief.

Yeah, he's real young, but Sean was saying he was fully developed; guess not so much...

lee909 · 02-18-2021, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.

Really don't think we want to see Winston as QB throwing on the run and under pressure

SmashMouth · 02-18-2021, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent...

It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam...

Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round...

Not to mention, Armstead has been a frequent IR club member. I'd be on board with trading him for a number 1. We'd kill a couple of birds in cap relief and additional draft capital.

02-18-2021, 11:00 AM	#1
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Latavius Murray IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho. Edit: Added the following link. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/ jnormand and Boston Saint like this.
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02-18-2021, 11:25 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by gosaints1 IDK folks, the 2022 cap hits just aren’t as important to me now, not bc they aren’t of value to look at, but because currently we are in a “holy smokes, what are we gonna do now” situation. His 2021 cap is 4.187M, and the best we could do would be a post Jun 1st cut, which means $850k in dead money and a cap savings of only 3.375M. I get it that every bit helps, but the Saints have to address the folks at the top of the list, the 8 digit guys first; Cameron Jordan, Terron Armstead, Kwon, Jackrabbit, Taysom Hill!! That Peat contract is a bad one for the team, not just the money but the way it is counted, great goobly moobly is it bad. For better or worse, we’re connected to him this 2021 season. My preference would be to keep both Murray and Burton, they are both excellent pass catching backs, and teams just don’t find those guys lying around, imho. Edit: Added the following link. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/ Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.

02-18-2021, 11:55 AM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... Depends on pre 6/1 or post 6/1. For example, Cam Jordan has a 2021 cap amount of $18.9M, cutting him pre 6/1 would be dead money of $16.9M and a cap savings of 2.0M. Arguably..., not worth it, right? Change the cut to post 6/1 and his cap hit while still being 18.9M is now only 5M in dead money and a cap savings of $13.9M. Same for E.Sanders and D.Onyemata at 6M and 7.5M respectively, post 6/1. It’s a fairly well built team though jp, regardless of who is under center..., so all those cuts are going to hurt to a certain degree. And it’s EXACTLY why your argument of “we need draft picks” is more critical now than anytime in recent memory. If we draft replacements well, this team can continue being in the discussion as a contender..., but if we either don’t have the picks or draft replacements poorly, then this team could go into “rebuilding” mode very quickly.
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02-18-2021, 12:45 PM	#4
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year.
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02-18-2021, 06:28 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by The Dude And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year. Well, in so far as the offensive line, losing Armstead is significant, but our problem is our interior offensive line which is a hot mess... Peat, despite getting a big, fat contract, is still playing uninspired football; unfortunately his contract makes it prohibitive to release him, nor is he an attractive trade option when you combine his play/contract... McCoy has really showed some RPMs as a big man who can get out and move to break open big runs; unfortunately he's had to stay inside at Center because Ruiz was unable to take the reigns, to be continued... Ruiz was unable to grasp the transition to the NFL game; maybe it was because of the abbreviated off-season with the Wuhan viral pandemic; this is the biggest question mark besides quarterback on offense... And we had to cut our swing-man, Nick Easton due to a serious concussion problem; know the cut, loss of potential income sucks, but I don't want this guy to have more permanent damage... Worse, because of the corner Payton and Loomis have painted themselves into with our salary cap position, we're unable to take advantage of the terrific guards in the 2021 Free Agency class... SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.
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02-18-2021, 07:42 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ruiz was unable to grasp the transition to the NFL game; maybe it was because of the abbreviated off-season with the Wuhan viral pandemic; this is the biggest question mark besides quarterback on offense... And we had cut our swingman due to a serious concussion problem... Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit. I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football. Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief. jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

02-20-2021, 09:44 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by K Major Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit. I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football. Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief. Yeah, he's real young, but Sean was saying he was fully developed; guess not so much...

02-18-2021, 07:25 PM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by The Dude And without a geriatric Qb it won’t hurt so bad if our oline takes a small step back for a year. Really don't think we want to see Winston as QB throwing on the run and under pressure Boston Saint likes this.

02-18-2021, 02:23 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kwon Alexander and Janoris Jenkins are the only direct moves that can be made to relieve the cap with minimal dead money; the negative is the loss of talent... It is far more costly to move Taysom Hill without a sign and trade deal; same with Cam... Moving Armstead makes sense, since Ramczyk could play LT and has to be extended; plus they're some great RTs that could be had in the first and second round... Not to mention, Armstead has been a frequent IR club member. I'd be on board with trading him for a number 1. We'd kill a couple of birds in cap relief and additional draft capital. jnormand, jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

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