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Lord_Saint83 10-18-2021 05:28 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 931780)
Wouldn’t surprise me if CGM doesn’t take a snap this year.


If he doesn’t, they need to pull trigger on someone soon then.

K Major 10-18-2021 05:32 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 931783)
If he doesn’t, they need to pull trigger on someone soon then.
Brandin Cooks is balling on a terrible team. No way I'd leave what we currently have on the field but hey that's just me.

JP suggested Cooks months back.

Boston Saint 10-18-2021 05:36 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 931784)
Brandin Cooks is balling on a terrible team. No way I'd leave what we currently have on the field but hey that's just me.

JP suggested Cooks months back.
A quick look shows his due about 12 mill next year. Not sure how that fits in.

Lord_Saint83 10-18-2021 05:50 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 931784)
Brandin Cooks is balling on a terrible team. No way I'd leave what we currently have on the field but hey that's just me.

JP suggested Cooks months back.


That he is and it’s fire sale there for sure. I wish we could get Cooks and Ingram back but I know that’s a pipe dream

The Meat Guy 10-18-2021 05:54 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 931775)
I'd put Will Lutz in that same category.

Verity ? ... Verity? ... anyone, anyone :p.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 931777)
SP still didn't listen to me...

AsylumGuido 10-18-2021 06:01 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 931780)
Wouldn’t surprise me if CGM doesn’t take a snap this year.
Care to place a small wager on that? :D

AsylumGuido 10-18-2021 06:04 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 931774)
But of course he's a few weeks away.
Consider the source ... Ian Fullacrap. The guy is guaranteed to be wrong. Now, if it came from Jay Glazer or Adam Schefter, maybe. Fullacrap, no.

The Dude 10-18-2021 08:23 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931792)
Consider the source ... Ian Fullacrap. The guy is guaranteed to be wrong. Now, if it came from Jay Glazer or Adam Schefter, maybe. Fullacrap, no.
Well Rapoport is saying a couple weeks so there is that. I doubt we can count on him right away when he gets back anyhow. Yea, defenses will be concerned enough about him to maybe open others up but I don’t expect him to get many targets.

AsylumGuido 10-18-2021 08:56 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 931795)
Well Rapoport is saying a couple weeks so there is that. I doubt we can count on him right away when he gets back anyhow. Yea, defenses will be concerned enough about him to maybe open others up but I don’t expect him to get many targets.
And what is your basis for Thomas not getting many targets when he returns? Curious as to your analysis.

The Dude 10-18-2021 09:23 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931797)
And what is your basis for Thomas not getting many targets when he returns? Curious as to your analysis.
Even if he starts practicing today he still won’t be in game shape. I seriously doubt Payton is going to dump a full load on him his first game back. Dude is physical as all get out and nobody is going to want him to step on the field day one and get back to snatching the ball away in double coverage.
From what I hear Payton has to keep him and Davenport separated anyway. Thomas keeps on threatening to punch Davenport for taking up so much room on his bench. Wouldn’t want him to sprain his wrist and miss another year.

K Major 10-18-2021 09:27 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 931799)
From what I hear Payton has to keep him and Davenport separated anyway. Thomas keeps on threatening to punch Davenport for taking up so much room on his bench. Wouldn’t want him to sprain his wrist and miss another year.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/GpyS1...giphy.gif&ct=g

SmashMouth 10-19-2021 08:45 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 931775)
I'd put Will Lutz in that same category.

Verity ? ... Verity? ... anyone, anyone :p.
Justin Tucker shares thoughts on undrafted rookie kicker Jake Verity

Boston Saint 10-19-2021 08:54 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931791)
Care to place a small wager on that? :D
What odds are you offering ?

AsylumGuido 10-19-2021 09:23 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 931799)
Even if he starts practicing today he still won’t be in game shape. I seriously doubt Payton is going to dump a full load on him his first game back. Dude is physical as all get out and nobody is going to want him to step on the field day one and get back to snatching the ball away in double coverage.
From what I hear Payton has to keep him and Davenport separated anyway. Thomas keeps on threatening to punch Davenport for taking up so much room on his bench. Wouldn’t want him to sprain his wrist and miss another year.
I didn't realize you were talking about Thomas' immediate return and not seeing many targets. I expect by the second half of the season he'll be back as the primary target in play calling.

K Major 10-19-2021 09:33 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Saints sign Lamar Miller to practice squad with Tony Jones out due to injury.

https://dknation.draftkings.com/nfl/...-kamara-backup

AsylumGuido 10-19-2021 09:34 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 931813)
What odds are you offering ?
Odds? I'm am wagering that Michael Thomas gets a snap in a Saints game this season. Why would "odds" need to be required? $20? Thomas plays a snap, I win. If he doesn't, you'll win.

But I'll consider odds. What are your odds that Thomas doesn't take a snap this year as you said wouldn't surprise you?

Boston Saint 10-19-2021 09:47 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931816)
Odds? I'm am wagering that Michael Thomas gets a snap in a Saints game this season. Why would "odds" need to be required? $20? Thomas plays a snap, I win. If he doesn't, you'll win.

But I'll consider odds. What are your odds that Thomas doesn't take a snap this year as you said wouldn't surprise you?
You do realize “wouldn’t be surprised” is different than I think it’s gonna happen, right?

jeanpierre 10-19-2021 10:26 AM
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jeanpierre 10-19-2021 10:29 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 931785)
A quick look shows his due about 12 mill next year. Not sure how that fits in.
With the salary cap set to escalate, that would be a deal for an elite WRz...

Boston Saint 10-19-2021 10:36 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 931822)
With the salary cap set to escalate, that would be a deal for an elite WRz...
How much do you think/predict Winston (or whoever it is) will
demand at the QB spot out of curiosity ?

SmashMouth 10-19-2021 10:48 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 931815)
Saints sign Lamar Miller to practice squad with Tony Jones out due to injury.

https://dknation.draftkings.com/nfl/...-kamara-backup
Ozigbo... come on down and play meaningful snaps.

saintfan 10-19-2021 11:42 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 931825)
Ozigbo... come on down and play meaningful snaps.
Ziggy got juice!

AsylumGuido 10-19-2021 12:31 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 931817)
You do realize “wouldn’t be surprised” is different than I think it’s gonna happen, right?
Don't be silly. Of course it isn't. I can't recall anyone saying that it is the same. That's why I said I'd consider odds. What do you think is the chance of Thomas not taking a snap this season? One in two? Fifty/fifty? Or maybe one in three? Or one in five? Or maybe one in ten?

Personally I would be totally shocked if Thomas didn't take a snap. The only real scenario that I could see where he didn't take a snap would be a new injury prior to his soon to be return. This is where pessimism versus optimism comes into play.

Boston Saint 10-19-2021 01:26 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931834)
Don't be silly. Of course it isn't. I can't recall anyone saying that it is the same. That's why I said I'd consider odds. What do you think is the chance of Thomas not taking a snap this season? One in two? Fifty/fifty? Or maybe one in three? Or one in five? Or maybe one in ten?

Personally I would be totally shocked if Thomas didn't take a snap. The only real scenario that I could see where he didn't take a snap would be a new injury prior to his soon to be return. This is where pessimism versus optimism comes into play.
Fair enough. I’d say it’s about 10:1 in favor he does take a snap. So i’ll put up 10 bucks to your 100 that he does not take a snap.

ChrisXVI 10-19-2021 01:34 PM
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AsylumGuido 10-19-2021 01:44 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 931838)
Fair enough. I’d say it’s about 10:1 in favor he does take a snap. So i’ll put up 10 bucks to your 100 that he does not take a snap.
LOL! I'm putting up $20. That means I get $2 ... if I accept those odds. But, I'm not. That seems like you would be surprised at 10:1 if he didn't take a snap, don't you think? Kind of long odds for not being surprised. I would think 1:4 would be more in keeping with "not being surprised by his not taking a snap this year".

My twenty against your five. :D

ChrisXVI 10-19-2021 03:59 PM
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This is great! I love watching the absolute violence Davenport plays with. Plus, I’m happy Jameis will have another option to throw to. Tre’Quan, Stills and Callaway almost resembles a real WR corp.

jnormand 10-19-2021 04:29 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Saw somewhere we signed RB Lamar Miller too.

Lord_Saint83 10-19-2021 05:02 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 931858)
https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...62407416451076

This is great! I love watching the absolute violence Davenport plays with. Plus, I’m happy Jameis will have another option to throw to. Tre’Quan, Stills and Callaway almost resembles a real WR corp.


Just gotta hope those guys can stay healthy but I’m pumped

AsylumGuido 10-19-2021 05:54 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 931861)
Just gotta hope those guys can stay healthy but I’m pumped
Me too. When's your next game in the Dome? My son and his best friend have our tickets for the Bucs game. We'll be driving back from a cruise during that. We'll be at the Falcons game the following week.

Lord_Saint83 10-19-2021 06:36 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931863)
Me too. When's your next game in the Dome? My son and his best friend have our tickets for the Bucs game. We'll be driving back from a cruise during that. We'll be at the Falcons game the following week.

That’s cool, where are y’all going on your cruise? And we are eyeing either the falcons or cowboys game.

jeanpierre 10-20-2021 04:30 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Week Seven, Rev. 7.0 (Updating)

OFFENSE

QB (4) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill *OUT, 15 - Trevor Siemian (FA 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 28 - Devine Ozigbo (FA 2021), 30 - Ryquell Armstead (PS 2021), 33 - Lamar Miller (PS 2021)

FB (2) 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021), 40 - Alex Armah (PS 2021), 46 - Adam Prentice (PS 2021)

WR-X (1) 1 - Marquez Callaway, 17 - Kevin White (PS 2021), 13 - Michael Thomas (ACTIVE/PUP)

WR-S (3) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 80 - Chris Hogan (FA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead *OUT, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021)

LG (1) 75 - Andrus Peat, 65 - Caleb Benenoch (PS 2021)

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy *OUT, 51 - Cesar Ruiz

RG (2) 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206), 66 - Jordan Mills (PS 2021)

TE (2) 82 - Adam Trautman, 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (PS 2021)

WR-Z (2) 11 - Deonte Harris *OUT, 12 - Kenny Stills (FA 2021), 14 - Kawaan Baker (PS/R7, P255), 18 - Easop Winston (PS 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (3) 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Jalyn Holmes (PS 2021)

NT (3) 97 - Malcolm Roach, 95 - Albert Huggins (PS 2021), 52 - Montravius Adams (FA 2021)

DT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 70 - Christian Ringo (FA 2021), 91 - Josiah Bronson (PS/UDFA 2021), 93 - David Onyemata (6 Gm Suspension)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon (FA 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 53 - Zach Baun, 47 - Lakiem Williams (PS/UDFA 2021)

MLB (1) 56 - DeMario Davis

SLB (2) 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (1) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 28 - Jordan Miller (PS 2021)

NCB (2) 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 35 - KeiVarae Russell (PS UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 37 - Dylan Mabin (PS 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 38 - Jeff Heath (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Bradley Roby (FA 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (PS 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 6 - Brian Johnson (FA 2021)

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


53-man Roster Count - Total: 53; Offense: 26; Defense: 24; Kicking: 3; Practice Squad: 16


Reserve/Injured

89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

73 - Ethan Greenidge

3 - Wil Lutz *DTR

81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021)

25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)

10 - Tre'Quan Smith *DTR

5 - Kwon Alexander (FA 2021) *DTR

92 - Marcus Davenport *DTR

42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021)

21 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021)



Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Non-Football Injury


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return

AsylumGuido 10-20-2021 10:37 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 931866)
That’s cool, where are y’all going on your cruise? And we are eyeing either the falcons or cowboys game.
Freeport, Nassau, and Half Moon Cay. Eight days. It was the longest one we could find since the pandemic started. We'll definitely be at both the Falcons and Cowboys games.

cmike 10-20-2021 11:06 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931881)
Freeport, Nassau, and Half Moon Cay. Eight days. It was the longest one we could find since the pandemic started. We'll definitely be at both the Falcons and Cowboys games.
That’s cool, I’ll be going on my first cruise since COVID on Nov 1. That just happens to be my birthday as well. So you know it’s about to get real. Can’t wait.
I’m glad we play on Halloween. My wife said she won’t allow me to spend another whole day watching football while we’re on vacation.

Lord_Saint83 10-20-2021 11:28 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931881)
Freeport, Nassau, and Half Moon Cay. Eight days. It was the longest one we could find since the pandemic started. We'll definitely be at both the Falcons and Cowboys games.


Cool, have fun. I’ve only done five day cruises. Maybe when I retire, I'll have time to do seven plus days. The time goes by so fast on the boat, lol. And yea, once we have which game we’re gonna go to set in stone, I’ll let you know.

neugey 10-20-2021 11:39 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
I am high on Lamar Miller as a real complement to Kamara if he's got decent health. Why? He put up very good rushing numbers with teams that generally suck at running the ball (the Dolphins and the Texans). For that reason I think he is undervalued. It's a 17 game season now and we need to preserve Kamara a little. We need a Pollard-type to Kamara's Ezekiel Elliott, if you get what I mean.

The Dude 10-20-2021 05:43 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 931863)
Me too. When's your next game in the Dome? My son and his best friend have our tickets for the Bucs game. We'll be driving back from a cruise during that. We'll be at the Falcons game the following week.
We are going the day after Christmas and again in February. For the February trip we are taking the whole staff. There are still a bunch of rooms left at very affordable prices for that week. We haven’t been since a year before covid. We did a week in Belize before the Delta debacle but other than that NADA. Can’t ****ing wait.

AsylumGuido 10-20-2021 06:05 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 931892)
We are going the day after Christmas and again in February. For the February trip we are taking the whole staff. There are still a bunch of rooms left at very affordable prices for that week. We haven’t been since a year before covid. We did a week in Belize before the Delta debacle but other than that NADA. Can’t ****ing wait.
I'm going to be there that game after Christmas. Not sure if the wife is going. Love Belize!

jeanpierre 10-20-2021 06:44 PM
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SmashMouth 10-20-2021 08:04 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by neugey (Post 931886)
I am high on Lamar Miller as a real complement to Kamara if he's got decent health. Why? He put up very good rushing numbers with teams that generally suck at running the ball (the Dolphins and the Texans). For that reason I think he is undervalued. It's a 17 game season now and we need to preserve Kamara a little. We need a Pollard-type to Kamara's Ezekiel Elliott, if you get what I mean.
We could've signed Fournette last year after he got cut .


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