Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre?

And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2021, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

subguy · 04-06-2021, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

This is true, but unfortunate we may in that 1/2 of the teams that may have to endure him starting. I will gladly admit I am wrong about being skeptical of Winston if he proves other wise. Hill or Winston, two mediocre options for the Saints. This has nothing to do with athletic ability, both have that.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.

If JW came to NO with the same credentials Farve has I would welcome him with open arms. Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. I don’t want him or Hill starting but I’d pick Hill over him all day. I want the Saints future to be drafted this year. Deep qb class will make someone fall to 28.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him.

Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.

voodooido · 04-06-2021, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.

Can you back this up? I haven’t seen any other offers

Boston Saint · 04-06-2021, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Can you back this up? I haven’t seen any other offers

Here is one example report:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/saintsw...ract-news/amp/

04-06-2021, 11:42 AM	#1
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre? And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB
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04-06-2021, 11:54 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB ... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

04-06-2021, 10:30 PM	#3
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,103	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by AsylumGuido ... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league. This is true, but unfortunate we may in that 1/2 of the teams that may have to endure him starting. I will gladly admit I am wrong about being skeptical of Winston if he proves other wise. Hill or Winston, two mediocre options for the Saints. This has nothing to do with athletic ability, both have that. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-06-2021, 12:03 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.
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04-06-2021, 05:12 PM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right. If JW came to NO with the same credentials Farve has I would welcome him with open arms. Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. I don’t want him or Hill starting but I’d pick Hill over him all day. I want the Saints future to be drafted this year. Deep qb class will make someone fall to 28. jnormand likes this.
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04-06-2021, 05:16 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.

04-06-2021, 08:45 PM	#7
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him. Can you back this up? I haven’t seen any other offers
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04-06-2021, 09:27 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints have a surprisingly low projected 2021 win total Originally Posted by voodooido Can you back this up? I haven’t seen any other offers Here is one example report: https://www.google.com/amp/s/saintsw...ract-news/amp/