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Rugby Saint II 04-21-2021 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918423)
Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.
Ramczyk?

Rugby Saint II 04-21-2021 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 918445)
It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.
The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.

AsylumGuido 04-21-2021 11:34 AM
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Ramczyk?
He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

K Major 04-21-2021 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918598)
Ramczyk?
I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan :(. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football :rolleyes:" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

jeanpierre 04-21-2021 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918598)
Ramczyk?
And that's why he was a first round pick...

jeanpierre 04-21-2021 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918608)
I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan :(. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football :rolleyes:" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.
Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was...

AsylumGuido 04-21-2021 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918613)
And that's why he was a first round pick...
Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.

iceshack149 04-21-2021 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918608)
I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan :(. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football :rolleyes:" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.
An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver.

TheOak 04-22-2021 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918599)
The better rugby teams practice live tackling every week in a scrimmage. They don't just play on Saturday. They also play on Thursday after fitness and skills drills on Tuesday. You've got to get used to taking a beating and not breaking down because your ligaments and muscles are conditioned for it from practicing.
A lot of sports are like this Rugs. Sparing is critical for boxing, running on a treadmill doesn't get you ready for a hockey rink.

If I were a player last year and this year, I would lower the weight I normally lift on any exercise by 5-10%, throw in 10 negative reps per set, and only use free weights.

If advanced facilities and equipment equated to fewer injuries then the Cowboys wouldn't be consistently plagued by injures with Jerry's 1.5BN training facility. The issue with the more advanced training facilities is that the free weight area shrinks in favor of machines and while machines are better for a focused muscle group, recovery and rehab, they do a lot less for structural integrity and core groups.

All anyone has to do is watch Rocky IV to see that Drago has the most advanced training available and Rocky beat the piss out of him:beer: :bng:

jeanpierre 04-22-2021 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918616)
Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.
And that's why most front office personnel are overpaid, overrated - years of nepotism in the NFL; it's the ole game of it's not what you know, but WHO you know...

First round picks should be starting when you break camp. Elite right away? No. I agree with you on that much...

But they should be starting their rookie year, with maybe the exception of quarterback who definitely has more responsibilities than any other position...

But coaches should play rookies as soon as possible to acclimate them to NFL game speed and gain experience from which they learn, improve...


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