Voluntary Workouts

The Dude · 04-17-2021, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.

There should be a good bit of high ceiling talent coming available relatively cheap once these rookie contracts start expiring. I expect last years (and maybe next years) draft class to have a lot of late bloomers because of the shortened offseason.
This cannot be good for body conditioning either. You can’t simulate hits in walkthroughs and virtual work outs, they need to get back to hitting.

ChrisXVI · 04-16-2021, 12:51 PM

All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind.

SmashMouth · 04-16-2021, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind.

So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?

K Major · 04-16-2021, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?

More than likely the first WR taken off the board.

LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL.

st thomas · 04-16-2021, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

More than likely the first WR taken off the board.

LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL.

Yup

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ChrisXVI · 04-16-2021, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us?

Chase falling to us.

I’m talking more about the late first through third round prospects who you would expect to have a role as a rookie; not top 10 prospects like Chase or Sewell.

ChrisXVI · 04-17-2021, 03:22 PM

Saints players make it official... No voluntary workouts:

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TheOak · 04-18-2021, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.

It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

The Dude · 04-18-2021, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

Exactly. I fully expect to see more injuries this year.

AsylumGuido · 04-18-2021, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Exactly. I fully expect to see more injuries this year.

More than last year? This year the players have far more access to off-site training facilities which were not open at all last year. They couldn't even go to local high schools or parks to workout. They will have three preseason games as opposed to none like last year.

04-17-2021, 07:15 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year. There should be a good bit of high ceiling talent coming available relatively cheap once these rookie contracts start expiring. I expect last years (and maybe next years) draft class to have a lot of late bloomers because of the shortened offseason. This cannot be good for body conditioning either. You can’t simulate hits in walkthroughs and virtual work outs, they need to get back to hitting.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Voluntary Workouts All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind. jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by ChrisXVI All I can say is do not draft players who sat out last season. Missing a year of development and the impending skipping of OTA’s will put them so far behind. So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us? jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by SmashMouth So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us? More than likely the first WR taken off the board. LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL. SmashMouth, jeanpierre and st thomas like this.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by K Major More than likely the first WR taken off the board. LSU WR's and LB's continue to transition well in the NFL. Yup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk jeanpierre likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by SmashMouth So... Neaux Jamar Chase if he falls to us? Chase falling to us. I’m talking more about the late first through third round prospects who you would expect to have a role as a rookie; not top 10 prospects like Chase or Sewell. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Voluntary Workouts Saints players make it official... No voluntary workouts: Twitter jeanpierre likes this.

04-18-2021, 06:42 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts. I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities. It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games. Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball. jnormand, Rugby Saint II and gosaints1 like this.
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04-18-2021, 11:20 AM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by TheOak It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games. Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball. Exactly. I fully expect to see more injuries this year.
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04-18-2021, 11:29 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by The Dude Exactly. I fully expect to see more injuries this year. More than last year? This year the players have far more access to off-site training facilities which were not open at all last year. They couldn't even go to local high schools or parks to workout. They will have three preseason games as opposed to none like last year.