Voluntary Workouts

ChrisXVI · 04-17-2021, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Because nobody gives a rats ass about Covid anymore. A lot of these players didn’t give a **** during the regular season when they were forced to be there every day. They sure as hell aren’t going to adhere to procedure at this point.
Players are just getting lazy. I too have noticed more sloppy starts in the last several years.

Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.

AsylumGuido · 04-17-2021, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

ChrisXVI · 04-17-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up.

Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it.

jeanpierre · 04-17-2021, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up.

Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it.

WRz, TEh, LG, C, and if we have a QB1 in-house...

ChrisXVI · 04-17-2021, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

WRz, TEh, LG, C, and if we have a QB1 in-house...

I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB.

We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center.

jeanpierre · 04-17-2021, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB.

We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center.

May be, but the sample we've seen, Tre'quan runs like the old man, Nate Scarbourough, in The Longest Yard (The Original)...

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2021, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

Ramczyk?

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2021, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

K Major · 04-21-2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan

. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football

" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

jeanpierre · 04-21-2021, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was...

04-17-2021, 06:32 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by The Dude Because nobody gives a rats ass about Covid anymore. A lot of these players didn’t give a **** during the regular season when they were forced to be there every day. They sure as hell aren’t going to adhere to procedure at this point. Players are just getting lazy. I too have noticed more sloppy starts in the last several years. Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year. jnormand likes this.

04-17-2021, 07:13 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year. Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready. ChrisXVI likes this.

04-17-2021, 07:26 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready. Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up. Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it.

04-17-2021, 07:58 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up. Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it. WRz, TEh, LG, C, and if we have a QB1 in-house... SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-17-2021, 09:17 PM	#5
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by jeanpierre WRz, TEh, LG, C, and if we have a QB1 in-house... I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB. We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center. jnormand and gosaints1 like this.
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04-17-2021, 10:55 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB. We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center. *May be, but the sample we've seen, Tre'quan runs like the old man, Nate Scarbourough, in The Longest Yard* (The Original)...**

04-21-2021, 11:17 AM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready. Ramczyk? jeanpierre and K Major like this.

04-21-2021, 11:34 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

04-21-2021, 12:04 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

04-21-2021, 12:47 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by K Major I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was... K Major likes this.