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Old 04-17-2021, 03:22 PM   #11
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Old 04-17-2021, 06:05 PM   #12
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The NFLPA has asked all players to hold out of all voluntary activities until after COVID is no longer a concern. It is expected that all players will end up complying with that request. So, it's looking like no OTA's once again nor any other voluntary workouts.

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“We have been in regular contact with the NFL on negotiations over a virtual offseason. As we have shared with your Executive Committee and Board, it is clear that neither side wants to move off their respective position. As we have made clear throughout bargaining: The COVID status in the country is as perilous as it was at this point last year; a number of players recently tested positive at team facilities. COVID weekly positive rates are as high, if not higher than, at this point last offseason; and NFL players who contracted COVID last season can become infected again.

“We believe that having the same offseason rules as last year is in the best interest of . . . the players and gives us the best chance of completing a full NFL season in 2021.

“As you know, other than minicamps, all offseason workouts are completely voluntary despite some of the language used by the clubs in recent days. And, while the CBA allows the teams to host mandatory minicamps, we believe the league should make them virtual just like last season.

“It is the recommendation of the NFLPA based on our medical experts’ advice that if the voluntary offseason program is in person, players should not attend. Therefore, as teams host calls to discuss these issues we urge that all players consider their own health and safety, make a personal decision about attending voluntary workouts and take into consideration the unanimous recommendation of the NFLPA COVID committee that we have an entirely virtual offseason.

“Please let your Player Director know what the consensus is of your teammates regarding their individual decision about the voluntary offseason period. We will let you know what we hear regarding minicamps and training camp structure and schedule.”
Because nobody gives a rats ass about Covid anymore. A lot of these players didn’t give a **** during the regular season when they were forced to be there every day. They sure as hell aren’t going to adhere to procedure at this point.
Players are just getting lazy. I too have noticed more sloppy starts in the last several years.
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Old 04-17-2021, 06:32 PM   #13
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Because nobody gives a rats ass about Covid anymore. A lot of these players didn’t give a **** during the regular season when they were forced to be there every day. They sure as hell aren’t going to adhere to procedure at this point.
Players are just getting lazy. I too have noticed more sloppy starts in the last several years.
Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.
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Old 04-17-2021, 07:13 PM   #14
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Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.
Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.
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Old 04-17-2021, 07:15 PM   #15
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Last years rookies like Ruiz, Baun and Trautman will lose even more development. I was hoping for a full offseason of development for them but it’s apparently not going to happen. It’s imperative that we draft plug and play starters this year.
There should be a good bit of high ceiling talent coming available relatively cheap once these rookie contracts start expiring. I expect last years (and maybe next years) draft class to have a lot of late bloomers because of the shortened offseason.
This cannot be good for body conditioning either. You can’t simulate hits in walkthroughs and virtual work outs, they need to get back to hitting.
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Old 04-17-2021, 07:26 PM   #16
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Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.
Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up.

Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it.
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Let me pose this question then Guido... would you consider it prudent then to be aggressive and trade up for guys we feel confident can contribute right away? I feel like the prevailing thought this year has been that we have holes and need as many draft picks as possible so DON’T trade up.

Personally, I want to win and I really only see holes at CB and LB. If we can get the best of the best at those positions then let’s do it.
WRz, TEh, LG, C, and if we have a QB1 in-house...
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Old 04-17-2021, 09:17 PM   #18
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WRz, TEh, LG, C, and if we have a QB1 in-house...
I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB.

We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center.
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I think you underestimate Tre’Quan Smith as a Z receiver. He was fantastic in that role in college and then came to a team that didn’t throw it deep. His stock is soaring in my mind with a new QB.

We don’t need O-Line. I know you guys are eager to run off Armstead but he isn’t going anywhere and nor should he. 12 games of Armstead is better than not having Armstead. He’s one of the best in the league. Peat ain’t going anywhere. Ruiz should be making the switch the center.
May be, but the sample we've seen, Tre'quan runs like the old man, Nate Scarbourough, in The Longest Yard (The Original)...
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Old 04-18-2021, 06:42 AM   #20
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I realize that DeMaurice Smith let the players negotiate for less time getting ready to play NFL football while giving all the power to Godhell. Football is sloppier to start than it was years ago when coaches ran players in the ground and toughened them up. Now we can't force players to fit the system. More and more players are opting out of voluntary workouts.

I realize that more injuries occur in physical practices but if your not ready for it then playing the game is where you will get hurt if your body is not ready for the punishment. If you were a player for the Saints would you opt out of the chance to build chemistry with your team mates and impress the coaches? Personally, I'd try hard to follow the schedule that Brees used to gain such success. First in and last out of the facilities.
It isn't that simple Rugs. What gets players hurt in full pad practice is missing the off-season workouts which should be designed to get players ready to hit. Junior High, High school, and college all do extensive off season workouts leading up to full pad workouts to prevent this by getting joints, tendons, and ligaments in shape for the stress and torque of full practices and games.

Being "in shape" is not being in "football conditioned" as those have two fairly different requirements. The less they do before pads the more injuries you will see especially in the front 7 on either side of the ball.

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