Voluntary Workouts

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2021, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready.

Ramczyk?

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2021, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

K Major · 04-21-2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan

. "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football

" yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

jeanpierre · 04-21-2021, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was...

iceshack149 · 04-21-2021, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada.

As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle.

This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie.

Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder.

An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver.

jeanpierre · 04-22-2021, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver.

Maybe I'm memory-holing it, but don't remember Graham missing games because of injury as a Saint; maybe with the SheHawks, but he played injured with us...

Just checked ProFootball Reference, he only missed two games with the Saints, now there's some GS where he was limited, but he still played injured in those games...

ProFootball Reference | TE Jimmy Graham

iceshack149 · 04-22-2021, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Maybe I'm memory-holing it, but don't remember Graham missing games because of injury as a Saint; maybe with the SheHawks, but he played injured with us...

Just checked ProFootball Reference, he only missed two games with the Saints, now there's some GS where he was limited, but he still played injured in those games...

ProFootball Reference | TE Jimmy Graham

I was referring to Brandin Cooks.

jeanpierre · 04-22-2021, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I was referring to Brandin Cooks.

My bad; Cooks missed six (6) games his rookie year, but he played in 16 and 16 games his remaining seasons with the Saints...

He was great until he got frustrated with his decreased targets as we were no longer able to get the downfield air yards we did his rookie season...

ProFootball Reference | WR Brandin Cooks

jeanpierre · 04-21-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Ramczyk?

And that's why he was a first round pick...

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And that's why he was a first round pick...

Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.

04-21-2021, 11:17 AM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those are few and far between. They were talking about that on NFL Radio yesterday. ALL rookies need development even if they are forced to start. They said no rookie is truly ready. Ramczyk? jeanpierre and K Major like this.

04-21-2021, 11:34 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? He didn't do bad, but he had his moments where he showed his need for growth.

04-21-2021, 12:04 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

04-21-2021, 12:47 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by K Major I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. Know you're like me and you question PFF grading system, but they actually graded him elite, which he was... K Major likes this.

04-21-2021, 02:25 PM	#5
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,407 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by K Major I remember right after the draft Peter Prisco gave Saints a C for drafting Ryan . "Where will he play? Where does this leave Streif. He doesn't love football " yada, yada, yada. As a rookie Ramz played in all 16 games, only 4 penalties/2 sacks/1 false start & 2 holding calls. Borderline elite play as a rookie @ tackle. This is a guy who will be well deserving of a huge upcoming payday. Not many in his draft class played better or had more impact as a rookie. Not too much more you can ask production wise from a former 1st rounder. An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver. Rugby Saint II, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

04-22-2021, 10:19 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by iceshack149 An excellent trade for a whiny, injury prone receiver. Maybe I'm memory-holing it, but don't remember Graham missing games because of injury as a Saint; maybe with the SheHawks, but he played injured with us... Just checked ProFootball Reference, he only missed two games with the Saints, now there's some GS where he was limited, but he still played injured in those games... ProFootball Reference \| TE Jimmy Graham

04-22-2021, 11:02 AM	#7
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,407 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by jeanpierre Maybe I'm memory-holing it, but don't remember Graham missing games because of injury as a Saint; maybe with the SheHawks, but he played injured with us... Just checked ProFootball Reference, he only missed two games with the Saints, now there's some GS where he was limited, but he still played injured in those games... ProFootball Reference \| TE Jimmy Graham I was referring to Brandin Cooks. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

04-22-2021, 11:14 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by iceshack149 I was referring to Brandin Cooks. My bad; Cooks missed six (6) games his rookie year, but he played in 16 and 16 games his remaining seasons with the Saints... He was great until he got frustrated with his decreased targets as we were no longer able to get the downfield air yards we did his rookie season... ProFootball Reference \| WR Brandin Cooks iceshack149, jnormand, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

04-21-2021, 12:46 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Ramczyk? And that's why he was a first round pick... SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.

04-21-2021, 01:00 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Voluntary Workouts Originally Posted by jeanpierre And that's why he was a first round pick... Not all first rounders end up starting. Ideally that is the plan, but studies have shown that only around 2/3rd's of first rounders end up starting more than half their games. Far fewer than that can be called elite as Ramczyk clearly has shown himself. He absolutely beat the odds.