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AsylumGuido 06-05-2021 02:59 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 921584)
What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW.

What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

:confused:

Boston Saint 06-05-2021 03:05 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 921584)
What good is having a Swiss Army knife if you don’t get any qb play? I say give him a chance. If he wins the competition good for him. If not, go back to playing every position in the field. I do however feel at this point I’m their career he is better than JW.

Who here has said to not give him a chance?

AsylumGuido 06-05-2021 03:11 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
I remember someone claiming that Taysom broke all of Steve Young's BYU records. While looking at college numbers I discovered that Taysom doesn't own any BYU records. In fact, Steve Young only owns one record himself and that's for season passing percentage at .713. Ty Detmer, John Walsh, and Jim McMahon own most all of the others.

AsylumGuido 06-05-2021 03:14 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921586)
Who here has said to not give him a chance?

Yeah. He definitely has a chance. I don't believe it's a good one, but he does have a chance.

SmashMouth 06-05-2021 06:10 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921587)
I remember someone claiming that Taysom broke all of Steve Young's BYU records. While looking at college numbers I discovered that Taysom doesn't own any BYU records. In fact, Steve Young only owns one record himself and that's for season passing percentage at .713. Ty Detmer, John Walsh, and Jim McMahon own most all of the others.

Steve Young

Taysom Hill

Taysom had a couple of years where he didn't play much do to injuries,

Boston Saint 06-05-2021 06:22 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921585)
What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

:confused:

I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

voodooido 06-05-2021 06:29 PM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921585)
What has Hill shown in his professional career at QB that makes him better than Winston? Guess which has four career TD's passing and which has 121.

He certainly wasn't anywhere near as good in college as was Winston and played against far inferior opponents.

Hill ------- 37 games, 58.2% completion, 43 passing TD's, 31 picks, 32 rushing TD's
Winston - 27 games, 66.0% completion, 65 passing TD's, 28 picks, 7 rushing TD's

:confused:

The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2021 08:13 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 921593)
The key in my post was “at this point in their career”. There is a reason why he took over last year. Hill was playing better and giving the Saints a better chance to win.

No, Hill was given the job because he had been in the system for four years and Winston, because of the lack of off-season and pre-season, only had a couple of months or so of practice in the system. He was also told by Payton at the beginning of the season if Brees were to go down the job would be his for those reasons. Now, after a full season followed by a mostly full pre-season they should be on even ground as far that the playbook goes. I believe Winston is still miles ahead on pure ability to play QB, however.

All Hill managed to do when he started was to keep his head above water while facing a horrible Falcons' defense twice, a Denver team with no QB on the roster, and a poor Philly team to which he lost.

Now, if by some miracle he does outperform Winston then he may get the job, but it will cost the Saints he tremendous talents in other parts of the game. Even if he were somehow somewhat better than Winston it would be a net loss for the Saints offense.

That's why I am hoping like hell that Winston beats him out, which I fully expect, and we can field a better team all around.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2021 08:16 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921592)
I can’t believe I’m going to say this because normally I think this line of thinking is crap, but It almost makes one wonder if there is a racial component to the way people are writing him off and ignoring his accomplishments.

That is glaringly obvious, Boston. That line of thinking IS crap, but it is absolutely real. :(

Boston Saint 06-06-2021 08:31 AM

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921599)
That is glaringly obvious, Boston. That line of thinking IS crap, but it is absolutely real. :(

There are enough black QBs starting and being given a chance in the league for me to accept that as a certainty. The Saints has no problem with Brooks or Blake starting. Winston is just being thrown in the same group with guys like Trubitski, Darnold, and Rosen. What I can’t figure out is why when he’s better than them.


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